I'm guessing you use some kind of external step sequencer? if so, maybe something to orchestrate all these modules rhythmically; time sync'ed modulation is very useful! 4ms PEG is good for this! plus a clock divider and maybe a sequential switch to mix things up a bit. Also look to introduce some randomness to your switching.
Trying to get into the Eurorack gig after I get my income tax. Wondering if this is a good start? I want to go with Trogotronic's m-168 case though. Any help would be appreciated. I'm trying to go for a drone/noise/ambient sound
It was great making deals with user @berth9999
Really nice guy!
I think I got a pretty good on a Jones O'Tool Oscilloscope deal with @ping_panic. Priced much lower than 80% of scheiders I see a lot. And almost new. (Foil still on the display.) Boxed very good. Good communication. Good deal. :-)
My bad, I wasn't the first, my apologies.
@ping_panic
Anyway, just for the sake of truth.
http://imgur.com/OJOD31V
This is my first and last post about this thing: You are wrong, you were not the first one, check this:
http://i.imgur.com/p6EZ0YM.png
cheers
Watch out when dealing with @ping_panic
I was the first to reply, I accepted his request for two modules and than he dumped me for a higher bid.
Not cool at all!
-- dukesofhazzard
I've got alot of vco's and modulation. I dont know where to go from here. Any opinions?
Watch out when dealing with @ping_panic
I was the first to reply, I accepted his request for two modules and than he dumped me for a higher bid.
Not cool at all!
It was great making deals with user @berth9999
Really nice guy!
seeing this new version now leaves me a little disappointed. not sure any more if it is the mixer which would suit my requirements best. what happened to the old deign? there's only four channels now; on a larger footprint.........ummm.....
Thank you for the link to the dual, Mopoco! I'll drop it in for the moment until I take a photo of my own module and upload it to my modular on here. The Neutron Sound one will be a little closer to what my implementation actually is.
(I should actually photo a few of the DIY panels, to more accurately represent my modular as well.)
Ryk
I look into this.
Beep, Bopp, Bleep: info@modulargrid.net
Hi, for like two weeks now I'm getting multiple E-Mails for each item on my watchlist ("Notifications"). Anyone else seeing that?
mq computer 2
updated - touch replaced by more "patch compose", as my virtuosoship is dedicated to a future instrument.
升级了——触摸替代为更多 “连线作曲”，因为我的演奏会专注于未来的一个乐器。
I escape from "endless possibilities", aiming for complexity I can handle, to avoid machines taking over expressions.
我逃离 “无穷的可能性”，力求自己能掌控的复杂程度，防止机器统治表达。
essentially, building a custom system is to set up workflow by reducing complexity.
组装客制化系统的核心目的，是通过降低复杂性而建立流程。
balance : don't want more, yet won't settle for less.
平衡 ：不需要更多，也不能更少。
too many wires so the faceplate won't close.
when I powered this unit up, I found complex noise at TR inputs of teletype coming from floating opamp inputs.
they travel through TR threshold so scripts may trigger randomly, even touching faceplate affects it.
a bit daunting at first, soon replaced by curiosity of exploring unusual expresssions.
里面线太多，合不上面板了。
接电之后我发现在 teletype 的 TR 输入端有复杂的噪音信号，它们来自浮空的运放输入。
这些信号在输入的阈值上下浮动，所以不同的脚本被随机地触发。触摸模块面板竟然会影响这些动作。
一开始感觉有些可怕，不过很快被其中可挖掘的不寻常表现力吸引了。
btw, it's ceremonious to have designs of peter, gil, brian, oliver in a small box.
在同一个小盒中放入这四个人的作品有种仪式感。
mengqimusic.com
here's a dual ssm2044:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/neutron-sound-duofonik-diy
thanks to @box78 for accepting my offer and despatching the item so quickly. no drama, well packaged and in great nick. reespect
Thanks for smooth and trouble-free transaction to
@dropthedyle for Experts Sleepers ES-8 !
That s what i have, what modules can i put to complete this set? Any suggestion?
Thanks
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=165472
You're welcome.
:)
Is it just me or is the firmware upgrade for the Stillson Hammer mkII a total nightmare? I have spent an age online researching and downloading software for my recently purchased pickit2 but my mac doesn't recognise it.
Any ideas...... anybody
@AThousandDetails thanks for the great speedy service and comms on my first buy from the marketplace.
i am interested in buying (trading) the Addac207 :)
Quick and well packaged:
@UndercoverBrother
@AThousandDetails
@A.S.
Thanks for smooth and trouble-free transactions to
@Kanou for Plan B Model 25 and Model 26 and
@airfrankenstein for Elby Designs IF 109 TGTSH.
Good business with @Modularwave. Fast shipping, quick replies, as described, and I get a Trigger Riot to boot.
Pour le moment, au niveau des recherches, un premier rack de trucs cools que je trouve cool, mais je ne sais pas trop si c'est réellement compatible, si c'est pas trop double emploi ou pas assez polyvalent (ou encore quoique ce soit d'autre...).
Je l'ai monté aussi suivant de bons plans sur AF/EFN/THONK...
Voici la liste des prix en gros (de gauche à droite) :
- Befaco Instrument Interface (i square) --> DIY --> 122€
- Befaco Rampage --> DIY --> 165€
- Befaco Joystick --> DIY --> 97€
- Eowave Titan --> occaz --> 80€
- Synthrotek Atari Punk Console --> DIY --> 50€
- Eowave Zone BF --> occaz --> 60€
- Synthrotek DS-M --> DIY --> 98€
- Bastl Knit Tider --> occaz --> 125€
- Tiptop Happy Ending Kit --> occaz --> 100€
Total : 896€
En gros, je veux pourvoir faire des nappes de synthés et des pseudos rythmiques et faire passer des instrus audio (Guitare/Basse/Clavier Casio/Noise box) si possible en même temps.
Si, par hasard, tout ceci est assez cohérent, je voudrais savoir lesquels mettre la priorité vu que le budget sera d'environ 150 chaque mois (je suis patient). Le kit TipTop est en cours d'achat.
Un avis ?
I'm planning to (diy) build a module like this but instead of the pins I'll use normal switches.
I'm fairly new to the electronics side of things, am I thinking too simple here?
The original module is passive too, so no Op-Amps used.. I wonder if I need any resistors?
For reference / correction:
The SSM2044 VCF / ENV listed in the top row of the New Europeans is not fully correct. I have a DIY dual SSM2044 that I made in 2005, in that position. The SSM2044 / ENV module was the only SSM2044 module that I could find in the grid.
Good trades with @AVJR and @vendenperros
Modules in perfect condition and both sellers were very friendly, and quick to reply.
If a compactflash card could talk, it would say "yes".
Im a carpenter student planning my first venture into eurorack.
Thinking mostly of erica pico and dreadbox white line modules, maybe some doepfer vintage edition....
Im a total noob here in eurorack just started reading about it all, an oh boy, is there some reading to do!
Anyhow, this is a system im thinking of, i know im missing those all important utility modules, but im not that well aware of it all that i could make educated guesses what i need.
Bassicaly just puting this up for any random remarks, general comments, ideas etc.
Only reason why chose to build it in two 84hp rows is that a local store sells the doepfer diy kit 1.
Id really like it to be three 84hp rows but....poor student budget.
oh Man -- I just now got it! I have no idea how to play it. LOL
Yup, I do have more or less an idea of what I want :)
I have actually seen Surgeon live once haha! Very nice indeed
Thanks for all the help anyway, it's likely that I'll build my own eurorack case to save some $$$
Might pick your brain when it comes to it...... Cheers!
ah nice, you already have a bit of gear then.
It sounds like you're starting to get a better idea of what you are wanting to achieve.
Check out some live sets from Surgeon on youtube, dude does some sweet live modular techno sets. He integrates his laptop and Ableton Live into the setup by clocking his modular system from Ableton so everything is in sync, and he just plays the modular live over the top of Ableton which is playing all the bits and pieces which is too hard to integrate into a small portable live modular rig.
goodluck
Since I already own a minilogue I think I'd just be going for one sound from the modular, perhaps later on two.
If I get a semi-modular synth the sound will start there and once I have enough money to get a second sound source (with VCO/VCA/envelope generator etc etc) I will have two sounds..
Anyway my beatstep has 3 sequencers, two for synths (1x minilogue, 1x modular) and one for drums. I would be using my MFB Tanzbär for drums and perhaps my volca beats. So yea really what I'm looking for from my modular synth is something that can function as a pad ór arp ór a bass, but not simultaneously. I can make either sounds from the minilogue aswell and atm I'm still running from Ableton Live so I could always use soft synths or samples for additional sounds.
Since I already own a minilogue I think I'd just be going for one sound from the modular, perhaps later on two.
If I get a semi-modular synth the sound will start there and once I have enough money to get a second sound source (with VCO/VCA/envelope generator etc etc) I will have two sounds..
Anyway my beatstep has 3 sequencers, two for synths (1x minilogue, 1x modular) and one for drums. I would be using my MFB Tanzbär for drums and perhaps my volca beats. So yea really what I'm looking for from my modular synth is something that can function as a pad ór arp ór a bass, but not simultaneously. I can make either sounds from the minilogue aswell and atm I'm still running from Ableton Live so I could always use soft synths or samples for additional sounds.
Does the sequencing skiff get more hands on modulation and knobtwisting? More live interaction with that skiff?
Depending on how many sounds you want to output from the system at any one time you may have to look into things like having multiple filters, quad VCAs, quad Mixers, to get the proper I/O in your system, but if you only want to output 1 arp / sequenced sound at a time then you don't need that stuff.
I havn't got that far into eurorack yet, so I would either presume that some compressor modules come with a side chain signal input or you might have to use something like a envelope follower, im not quite sure.
Drums are tricky, you can make them from basically anything and layer as many things as you want, everyone has a different perception on drums.
I do realize I might need a bunch more clock-kind-of-modules, although I can send clock, cv and gates from both my beatstep and my tanzbar, so it should be possible to get the "arp" running with little to no extra modules. I already found out that multipliers and dividers aren't always actually that expensive, so that may not be the hardest thing to acquire. In any case, can always extend later :p Don't have to be working right from the start haha
Also drums coming from a modular synth usually don't sound that impressive to me, so I'm happy to do most of the drum sounds from my drum machines... Only thing that I think about all the time is the sidechain compressor haha, making that digitally is super easy, but howwwwwwwww would you make that in a modular setup ?!!
Well unfortunately its going to cost alot more money if you want it to be a live performing rig of some sort because you need additional sequencers, clocks, dividers, multipliers, envelopes, Quad VCA's and Mixers etc that you may not have needed otherwise in a studio just being a sound generator into the DAW.
The reason why the arps sound so good is because naturally hardware oscillators are more rich and lush compared to software and the hardware sequencers are really efficient to get results with while being hands on.
It looks like Colin is using the Intellijel Metropolis sequencer, I don't think its a arpeggiater module making it happen its something he has programmed himself into the sequencer.
You can just use plugins to process further without having to buy effects modules, but a good reverb and delay is always nice to have.
I bought Clouds for pads and drones aswell ;)
Make Noise make really really good stuff, I think im going to have a separate skiff case filled purely with make noise utilities in the future (If main case does not fit).
You will definitely want a Maths, theres no reason not to have one in a modular system.Making a case isn't too hard, all you have to do is make the side panels, a base plate panel (if needed), a back plate panel (if needed), Rails and a power supply.
For custom cases just buy everything from synthracks.com, they sell sets of rails secured in brackets so its really easy to line stuff up and drill holes etc.
https://synthracks.com/shop/eurorack-frameThen for PSU just use either:
(1) TipTop Audio uZeus module with break out cable and a Power Brick. (You can use however many uZeus you need, can have one in each row of your case etc.)
(2) TipTop Audio Dual Access module and some TipTop Audio Studio Bus Boards and a Power Brick.The second option delivers more power and allows for 6x Studio Bus boards to be connected to 1x TipTop Audio Dual Access module, the Studio Bus boards have 14 connectors compared to the breakout cables 10 connectors just another thing to consider.
You don't need to be super techy, you just need a clear idea of what you want to achieve in the end, theres no 2 ways about it you will be spending alot of money lol.
-- spaceV2
Yea I understand it's gonna cost a bit haha.
I read before aswell that the Dual Access is the better option in case you fill your rack with some energy-consuming modules, or in case you want to extend later.. I guess that's the better option?
I'm definitely getting Math and I think it makes sense to get Cloud..
I didn't really specify before what I wanted to achieve but basically what I love about the specific sound of modular synths is that somehow... the arpeggiated sounds and slow evolving melodies really sound very gooooood through other people's systems. I think it makes sense to get a good type of chorus/reverb/tape echo/delay, but then I'm not sure if I want that from within the modular system or as separate pedals... Probably a combination of the two would be most interesting.
In any case I want to use the rack on the stage. So it must be possible to use it in a useful way, without having to patch for 20 minutes. I understand that part of it will be mastering the synth and trying to remember some patch routes that work, but basically I would be running arpeggiators or sequences from my beatstep pro (BSP) and then use the modular rack as a lead synth or some sort of atmospheric pad thing if I add more reverb and sustain.
I'm sure you all know Colin Benders: he's on top of his game.....!
But yea something like these sounds (at 49min)
would be what I'm looking to get from my system in the endgame situation. Obviously it won't start like that, and I'm not looking to make the bass, pad and lead all from the modular setup, but this arp sound .. it just sounds so right!!
Cheers,
Precursor
Make Noise make really really good stuff, I think im going to have a separate skiff case filled purely with make noise utilities in the future (If main case does not fit).
You will definitely want a Maths, theres no reason not to have one in a modular system.
Making a case isn't too hard, all you have to do is make the side panels, a base plate panel (if needed), a back plate panel (if needed), Rails and a power supply.
For custom cases just buy everything from synthracks.com, they sell sets of rails secured in brackets so its really easy to line stuff up and drill holes etc.
https://synthracks.com/shop/eurorack-frame
Then for PSU just use either:
(1) TipTop Audio uZeus module with break out cable and a Power Brick. (You can use however many uZeus you need, can have one in each row of your case etc.)
(2) TipTop Audio Dual Access module and some TipTop Audio Studio Bus Boards and a Power Brick.
The second option delivers more power and allows for 6x Studio Bus boards to be connected to 1x TipTop Audio Dual Access module, the Studio Bus boards have 14 connectors compared to the breakout cables 10 connectors just another thing to consider.
You don't need to be super techy, you just need a clear idea of what you want to achieve in the end, theres no 2 ways about it you will be spending alot of money lol.
Yes, its all about what you are wanting to achieve in the end and how you want to go about it.
A Prophet Desktop would be sick, but the sonic capabilities would be limited compared to eurorack. Id even go so far to say the Make Noise 0 Coast would give the Prophet a run for its money with flexibility and fun factor.
The Prophets sound sick and is obviously a beautiful synth to own, but in my opinion it depends how much Prophet sound you want in your productions or have excess money to waste on hardware. For me personally the Prophet would be great Techno, Ambient, Chill or old school John Carpenter style stuff.Im not sure what the "BSP" is, but another option for you could be the Erica Synths Pico range, which is another little modular system.
(1) DNQAAOSw44BYV~k0" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Erica-Synths-Pico-Eurorack-Case-Power-Supply-42hp-/162326609458?hash=item25cb6b7e32DNQAAOSw44BYV~k0
(2) WOMAAOSwZQRYZxvV" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Erica-Synths-Pico-VCO-Oscillator-EURORACK-NEW-PERFECT-CIRCUIT-/302182229411?hash=item465b76e5a3WOMAAOSwZQRYZxvVOn the more expensive side of things, there are some similar options available such as:
(1) Roland System 500
(2) Pittsburgh Modular Lifeforms System-201
(3) Sound Machines Modulor 114You just have to spend enough time browsing companies products to know whats out there.
Some recommendations for Cases would be:
(1) Doepfer A-100P6
(2) Doepfer A-100LC9
(3) Doepfer A-100LC3
(4) TipTop Audio Mantis
(5) Any kinds of 3U Skiff Case combined with a TipTop Audio uZeus PSU and power brick.
Heres a example of Skiff case that comes with a PSU:
(a) http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/302018843188?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
(b) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Synthrotek-Cheeks-Power-6U-104HP-Case-V1-EURORACK-NEW-PERFECT-CIRCUIT-/121962215659?hash=item1c6583b8eb(6) Synthrotek also offer alot of cool stuff in regards to cases and psu's:
(a) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Synthrotek-Cheeks-Steel-6U-84hp-Case-EURORACK-NEW-PERFECT-CIRCUIT-/302126540028?hash=item46582524fc
(b) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Synthrotek-Cheeks-Steel-9U-84hp-Case-EURORACK-NEW-PERFECT-CIRCUIT-/302126540343?hash=item4658252637(7) Something from SynthRacks.com
(8) Go down the custom case route by either buying side panels or making them yourself:
(a) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Erica-Synths-WOOD-SIDES-1x-6U-THICK-Case-EURORACK-NEW-PERFECT-CIRCUIT-/301730320410?hash=item464087501a
Buy the rails, screws, threads or sliding nuts and PSU aswell. But you need to consider to time of labour and what kind of tools you will need. Going down the pure custom case route isn't always the best option for people who do not have easy access to tools etc. Plus you would only end up saving about $200 - $300 compared to some of the options above, which is basically 1 new eurorack module, is all that effort really worth it to you ?Hope this has helped
Goodluck
-- spaceV2
Hey thanks again for the response! I will check out the options for sure!
BSP = beatstep pro btw, its a hardware sequencer, which saves me some money on the sequencer modules and allows me to use my mfb tanzbar and korg minilogue from easy from one tool.. And hopefully, in the future, a modular synth.
I'm pretty happy about finding the 0-Coast, good chance I'm gonna get that first, but thanks so much for all the ideas, I really need to browse a lot before making decisions it seems, it's all so abundant, there's tonnes and tonnes of options and I really have no clue what's good or bad.
I agree that the prophet is probably not worth its investment, although I do make electronica/techno, so it would come in great for pads. On the other hand, honestly many soft synths make for great pads these days..............
I'm definitely down to make building a rack a summer thing, spending some time on screwing around with screws and rails and drilling holes and stuff like that.. Gotta work for your money right ;) But I'm not suuuper techy, so I'll only go down that road if I'm sure it's not too hard.
Cheers,
Q / Precursor
epic dude lol
Got any youtube videos showing some sounds you create on this thing ?
Yes, its all about what you are wanting to achieve in the end and how you want to go about it.
A Prophet Desktop would be sick, but the sonic capabilities would be limited compared to eurorack. Id even go so far to say the Make Noise 0 Coast would give the Prophet a run for its money with flexibility and fun factor.
The Prophets sound sick and is obviously a beautiful synth to own, but in my opinion it depends how much Prophet sound you want in your productions or have excess money to waste on hardware. For me personally the Prophet would be great Techno, Ambient, Chill or old school John Carpenter style stuff.
Im not sure what the "BSP" is, but another option for you could be the Erica Synths Pico range, which is another little modular system.
(1) DNQAAOSw44BYV~k0" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Erica-Synths-Pico-Eurorack-Case-Power-Supply-42hp-/162326609458?hash=item25cb6b7e32DNQAAOSw44BYV~k0
(2) WOMAAOSwZQRYZxvV" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Erica-Synths-Pico-VCO-Oscillator-EURORACK-NEW-PERFECT-CIRCUIT-/302182229411?hash=item465b76e5a3WOMAAOSwZQRYZxvV
On the more expensive side of things, there are some similar options available such as:
(1) Roland System 500
(2) Pittsburgh Modular Lifeforms System-201
(3) Sound Machines Modulor 114
You just have to spend enough time browsing companies products to know whats out there.
Some recommendations for Cases would be:
(1) Doepfer A-100P6
(2) Doepfer A-100LC9
(3) Doepfer A-100LC3
(4) TipTop Audio Mantis
(5) Any kinds of 3U Skiff Case combined with a TipTop Audio uZeus PSU and power brick.
Heres a example of Skiff case that comes with a PSU:
(a) http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/302018843188?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
(b) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Synthrotek-Cheeks-Power-6U-104HP-Case-V1-EURORACK-NEW-PERFECT-CIRCUIT-/121962215659?hash=item1c6583b8eb
(6) Synthrotek also offer alot of cool stuff in regards to cases and psu's:
(a) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Synthrotek-Cheeks-Steel-6U-84hp-Case-EURORACK-NEW-PERFECT-CIRCUIT-/302126540028?hash=item46582524fc
(b) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Synthrotek-Cheeks-Steel-9U-84hp-Case-EURORACK-NEW-PERFECT-CIRCUIT-/302126540343?hash=item4658252637
(7) Something from SynthRacks.com
(8) Go down the custom case route by either buying side panels or making them yourself:
(a) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Erica-Synths-WOOD-SIDES-1x-6U-THICK-Case-EURORACK-NEW-PERFECT-CIRCUIT-/301730320410?hash=item464087501a
Buy the rails, screws, threads or sliding nuts and PSU aswell. But you need to consider to time of labour and what kind of tools you will need. Going down the pure custom case route isn't always the best option for people who do not have easy access to tools etc. Plus you would only end up saving about $200 - $300 compared to some of the options above, which is basically 1 new eurorack module, is all that effort really worth it to you ?
Hope this has helped
Goodluck
I agree on what you say. If you want to get rid of your 6U case, going for a 9U one anytime in the summer I'd be up for taking it from you, so you can go bigger and I can start haha.. Anyway I don't have a big budget at the moment, so I can't start now anyway.
What I was thinking is getting the MakeNoise 0-Coast semi-modular synthesizer, once I saved a little. Then At least I'll have a soundsource. I already own a BeatStep Pro, which allows me to sequence hardware (incl. cv/gate). I think it will be a logical approach to start with the 0-Coast and the BSP, so that I can get into the idea of modular synthesis a little bit and then start to buy a 6U case (maybe 104HP) and some basic modules.
It will be nice that I'll already have a sound source then and some sort of adsr control and parameter controls. Maybe once I understand the fx modules a bit, by then I'll have a better idea of what kind of modular VCO/VCA I'd want to get....
I think I'd want Math and Clouds, so it will cost a lot from the start. I can get a job in September that'll make me about 1.6k which I could completely invest into the rack and start everything up. I guess until then I will play around with the 0-Coast.
In any case it's good to see that there are options for the case. Because if you look at my budget it will probably not exceed 2k anytime soon and spending 500-1000 euro's on a case seems kinda ... pointless. I could also get a prophet desktop for like 1.4k I think it was, so that would make a lot more sense otherwise. But if I can find a 300 euro case I'd definitely be up to start about with modular synthesis :)
Thanks for all the replies guys!
Cheers,
Q / Precursor
three Moog mothers, 22 Make noise modules, 4 modules form other makers,
Arturia miniBrute as keyboard controller, Presonus 1818 AudioBox and Belhringer Virtualizer effects rack.
Just waiting on a 16-16 ribbon and a 2HP 3:1 switch module.
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