@OurMod is a great seller. Friendly communication and fast shipping. Module as described.
Yes, that damned gap! Hahah.
I honestly think you'll be hard pressed to shave much space no matter which route you take, 4 channels takes up space, no way of getting around that. I would say the only major place you can shave some weight is in the oscillators. If you can find slimmer versions of the same components elsewhere, it might be worth considering, but honestly, I think it looks really good the way it is. You can always just buy another rack! Haha
-- aeonblack
Thank you, sir!
Yes, my solution is build another rack/skiff! Problem solved!
Yes, that damned gap! Hahah.
I honestly think you'll be hard pressed to shave much space no matter which route you take, 4 channels takes up space, no way of getting around that. I would say the only major place you can shave some weight is in the oscillators. If you can find slimmer versions of the same components elsewhere, it might be worth considering, but honestly, I think it looks really good the way it is. You can always just buy another rack! Haha
Removed the Grendel Drone Commander 2, as it might be a while before it's out anyways, added in the 4MS SMRF. Trying to figure out what to fill my last 10hp with
-- aeonblack
Haha! There is always a gap!
Yes, I actually had the same thoughts regarding mults, but, for now I want to see where I end up with what I've got, I may not end up using it that much right away. But, I'm sure I'll find out very quickly if I need more of anything hah. You've got a nice little setup there! Any particular reason you went with two "vintage" styled oscillators? If you're not opposed to dsp over analog, there really are some fantastic sounds to be had with some of the digital stuff (I'm clearly a Mutable fanboy though, so take that with a grain of salt haha). Still, you might want to add a little variety? You might want to also consider something smaller than the Dubmix in favour of gaining some extra rack space? It IS an awesome unit (had it in my rack until I realized I need to make more space), but especially in a smaller rack, all that space is precious.
-- aeonblack
Sadly, yes, I'm planning this rack to be "as analog as it can be". Nothing wrong with digital, I'll plan another skiff for all digital modules, then I can overclock some digital modules, and create some insane glitchy sound design stuff!
And yeah, the Dubmix is huge! I wish I could swap it for something smaller. I'll be using it as panning movements and a final summing mixer, nothing else. So I guess it doesn't do justice to it.
I could go the panners+mixers route like yours, but for 4 channels, it's pretty much the same HP...
There are ~150 jacks in the complete system. And 32 in the Mother, of course. So I'll shoot for between 40 and 90 cables.
65 would be a happy medium. Just ordered the Mutable Instruments cable pack so I'm at ~40 presently. Only 6 stackables though.
Options (organized in decreasing order of HP):
* Intellijel Linix (16)
* E350 Morphing Terrarium (14)
* Make Noise Telharmonic (14)
* MI Rings (14)
* SSF Ultra Random Analog (10)
* TipTop Hats (8)
* Noise Engineering Zularic Repetitor (8)
* Antimatter Audio Brain Seed (4)
* SSF Quantum Rainbow 2 (4)
Could replace the Shapeshifter (26HP) with ...
* a MI Rings and a Tangle Quartet and a Sequential Switch
* a E350 Morphing Terrarium and a Tangle Quartet and a SSF Quantum Rainbow 2
* a SSF URA and a Intellijel Linix
* a MI Yarns and a Zularic Repetitor and a Dynamic Destiny
* ADDAC 402 and a Dynamic Destiny
Ah, decisions, decisions.
Removed the Grendel Drone Commander 2, as it might be a while before it's out anyways, added in the 4MS SMRF. Trying to figure out what to fill my last 10hp with
Made some more changes. Removed another Mother-32, down to just one now. My plans have definitely changed quite a bit since my original inception, but I think in it's current state, it is highly functional, and I shouldn't be losing much by removing the second Mother. Added a Maths, because everyone and their dog has been telling me to add a Maths. It is going to take me forever to figure that one out (I watched a few videos and I'm still just as confused haha). Also added an MI Edges and the upcoming Rings. The Rings sounds fantastic, and perfectly inline with many of my other modules, and I figured by adding the Edges, I'll be getting a lot more flexibility. Besides, chiptune is fun! Replaced my Outs and Attenuator with an Intellijel Audio Interface 2, gaining a nice input for if I want to integrate samples or one of my other standalone synths into the module (I may end up just running and output from my main studio mixer into it). Switched the oscilloscope back to the Data unit, as it's much nicer. I have everything either on it's way to me now, or ordered/preordered, with the exception of the mother-32, drone commander, clouds, rings and dixie 2+ (as they are all out of stock/not released yet).
-- aeonblackI'll totally do the same changes! Haha I think we have the same logic when comes to modular. I also had a MATHS planned, and confused,too!
If I were you, I might add more mults, just in case you want to split more CVs or clocks.
Here is mine plan, I don't have as big budget as yours :-), hope you can shine some light on it:
-- Vinnie_Lee
Yes, I actually had the same thoughts regarding mults, but, for now I want to see where I end up with what I've got, I may not end up using it that much right away. But, I'm sure I'll find out very quickly if I need more of anything hah. You've got a nice little setup there! Any particular reason you went with two "vintage" styled oscillators? If you're not opposed to dsp over analog, there really are some fantastic sounds to be had with some of the digital stuff (I'm clearly a Mutable fanboy though, so take that with a grain of salt haha). Still, you might want to add a little variety? You might want to also consider something smaller than the Dubmix in favour of gaining some extra rack space? It IS an awesome unit (had it in my rack until I realized I need to make more space), but especially in a smaller rack, all that space is precious.
Made some more changes. Removed another Mother-32, down to just one now. My plans have definitely changed quite a bit since my original inception, but I think in it's current state, it is highly functional, and I shouldn't be losing much by removing the second Mother. Added a Maths, because everyone and their dog has been telling me to add a Maths. It is going to take me forever to figure that one out (I watched a few videos and I'm still just as confused haha). Also added an MI Edges and the upcoming Rings. The Rings sounds fantastic, and perfectly inline with many of my other modules, and I figured by adding the Edges, I'll be getting a lot more flexibility. Besides, chiptune is fun! Replaced my Outs and Attenuator with an Intellijel Audio Interface 2, gaining a nice input for if I want to integrate samples or one of my other standalone synths into the module (I may end up just running and output from my main studio mixer into it). Switched the oscilloscope back to the Data unit, as it's much nicer. I have everything either on it's way to me now, or ordered/preordered, with the exception of the mother-32, drone commander, clouds, rings and dixie 2+ (as they are all out of stock/not released yet).
-- aeonblack
I'll totally do the same changes! Haha I think we have the same logic when comes to modular. I also had a MATHS planned, and confused,too!
If I were you, I might add more mults, just in case you want to split more CVs or clocks.
Here is mine plan, I don't have as big budget as yours :-), hope you can shine some light on it:
The sound is ok - reasonable full tone, but it does lose some fidelity - bypassing the euro modules has a bit more presence and punch.
I still need to replace the op-amps in the A-119 module, but very workable.
Do you find you're able to get a nice, full toned bass signal into your modular?
This configuration is a representation of my Eurorack rig. The first row contains the modules running in my rig. The second row is more of a wish/todo list.
It's basically Electric Bass + Modular. No VCOs (except LFOs). The bass plugs into an A-119. The output of the rig goes to a USB audio interface.
"It's a journey."
Made some more changes. Removed another Mother-32, down to just one now. My plans have definitely changed quite a bit since my original inception, but I think in it's current state, it is highly functional, and I shouldn't be losing much by removing the second Mother. Added a Maths, because everyone and their dog has been telling me to add a Maths. It is going to take me forever to figure that one out (I watched a few videos and I'm still just as confused haha). Also added an MI Edges and the upcoming Rings. The Rings sounds fantastic, and perfectly inline with many of my other modules, and I figured by adding the Edges, I'll be getting a lot more flexibility. Besides, chiptune is fun! Replaced my Outs and Attenuator with an Intellijel Audio Interface 2, gaining a nice input for if I want to integrate samples or one of my other standalone synths into the module (I may end up just running and output from my main studio mixer into it). Switched the oscilloscope back to the Data unit, as it's much nicer. I have everything either on it's way to me now, or ordered/preordered, with the exception of the mother-32, drone commander, clouds, rings and dixie 2+ (as they are all out of stock/not released yet).
I wonder why so many people have been putting their SMRF (ahahah) on the market :S
I don't own one but it seems lots of fun!
HERE IS MY RACK - JUST A BREIF OF WHAT THEY ALL ARE....
THIS IS ONLY REFERENCING The Bottom 6 Rows (18-U) is my current rig as it stands... I will try to update Frequently
MAIN OSCILATION SENSATION:
2x Moog Mammas DirtyTWOOZ
Harvestman Piston HongKong
Pittsburgh(steelersSUCK) WaveForms
BloooLantern Simple VCO (it really aint that simple, I'm still reading manuals for this Little shyyt)
Make (sum F'ng) Noise - STO (Sub Oscilator- Much different & cleaner than Most)** highly recommend
FILTERS & SUCH: (ok illl try to be more serious this time )
BoomStar 5089 (moog style Ladder Filter)
Make Noise - MMG
Intellijel- Korgasmatron
Dave Smith- Curtis Filter
Dave Smith -Character Module
Moog- 2x Ladder Filter inputs from M32's
Envelopes & Modulation
Make Noise Maths
Doepfer - A140 Dual ADSR
Expert Sleepers- Disting
Mutable Instruments- Tides
Blue Lantern Modulation CTR
Harvestman- Dunno what its called, Its in Russian, but theres i pic in my rack, its the only other Harvestman, maybe 2HP wide
MIDI, MIXING, VCA, FX
Mutable Instruments Frames
Doepfer A-116 Waveforms Processing
Mutable Instruments YARNS
ACX Synth MIDI-CV
Synthrotek EKO
Doepfer A-180 Mult
Pittsburgh Mix Mult
Pittsburgh OUTS
SEQUENCERS, LOGIC, CLOCKS, n KOCKS
4MS QCD
Make Noise Rene
Turing Machine
Nano Rand
EXTERNAL SYNTHS (Not pictured that I incorporate w the rig):
Moog Voyager w/ CP251 & CP351
Moog Sub37
Elektron Analog Keys
Elektron Analog Rytm
Korg Polysix (yes the real original thing - so stop asking me that haha)
Amoungst a few various Foogers and other FX pedals.
IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, QUESTIONS, ADVISE, WHATEVER... I have an open mind an will always hear out new ideas if you have any that you think will take my rack to the next level that I'm overlooking here....
If your a Hot chick thats really digs a geek Dude playing with his modular synths all day, then stop wasting time & just
'show us your tits' and I'll consider you showing you my rig. Modular Rig that is ;)
--am i allowed to say that on here... was just kidding but i guess ill find out soon enough hahah sorry admins lol
The top 3 Rows are modules on my want list radar.
Figured this would be to show everyone what I'm working with and I'm always game for a good trade :)
So if you currently own a module from my want list and your eyeing up a piece I own, well... Never hurts to make an offer.
i only ask 1 thing, that...
if you prepose an offer, don't waste my time offering me something like a "mult" or " sample n hold" for a moog mother32.
The deals gotta makes sense... just ask yourself first, "if that were me, would i accept a trade like that"
BTW... Modules
NOT FOR TRADE or SALE:
Both Moog Mothers (as a matter of fact I'm searching for 1 more so.... Non Negotiable)
Piston Honda (Non Negotiable)
Rene (Non Negotiable)
STO (however, if they're was a DPO included in the offer i'd consider letting that one go)
YARNS- (um like the best midi - CV converter ever- Even has a cappuccino making option in the firmware update) It actually really doesn't -sorry BUT IT Prob could!!
Some amazing sonic possibilities - recommended!
NEW EP: https://fastus.bandcamp.com/album/terra-incognito
Latest works: https://soundcloud.com/fastus
Modular studies & sketches: https://soundcloud.com/problivion
Purchased a Make Noise STO from @l00p, all good! Recommended.
source:
The additional gear featured in the video is:
Moogerfooger MuRF (discontinued, new version at http://www.moogmusic.com/products/moogerfoogers/mf-105m-midi-murf )
Nord Drum 2 (http://www.nordkeyboards.com/products/nord-drum-2 )
Boss FS-5U Non-latching footswitch (http://www.bossus.com/products/fs-5u_5l/ )
Eventide H9 (https://www.eventideaudio.com/products/stompboxes/multi-effect-processor/h9 )
Roland SCOOPER (http://www.roland.com/products/scooper/ )
A brilliant bit of kit in 6U90HP. Very inspiring.
recommended seller - @penrose_riots
great deal and fast shipment from him.
Hello, So I'm suuuuper new to this. But I'm interested in eventually, ultimately creating an all-in-one audio/video performance rack (maybe years before that'd happen..) Really interested in these Video Waveform Generators, but also looking to connect whatever visual outputs I have to the audio output, and potentially even vice versa. Really what I'm looking for is a simple drum/synth/effect set up at the bottom and video at the top. But I really have no idea what would work well together, if at all. What should be essential for the Audio portion here? Any suggestions on mixed audio/video components? Pardon if this all looks like nonsense..
Hi Vinnie_Lee,
the deepest I know of is this 19" frame: http://www.doepfer.de/home_d.htm.
140 mm usable depth where the bus boards are.
Going with custom frames similar to this (http://clicksclocks.de/904) you could go deeper if you wanted to.BTW some modules are only like 20 mm. That's why I built my cardboard skiff case just 38 mm deep on the shallow side.
I find that more convenient than working an upright case.(late wish to Santa: A 'sort by depth' feature in the module browser would be nice :)
-- wiggler55550
Thanks for the info!
I've been thinking, get a Doepfer plywood 9U case ($460),
or get a 12U mixer briefcase, and get a switching busboard and PSU from Intellijel or something(around $550), which offer more HPs and more juice, but I have to put them together myself...
So yeah, hi everybody. This is a great a place to be, thanks a lot for creating it!
I am into modular synthdom since 2015 09 and happened on MG while searching the web for info on modular/eurorack.
After starting out on a Yamaha CX5m a looong time ago I fiddled with VST the last couple of years.
I was really taken by the combination of several emulations of the Synthi AKS/VCS 3 and Audio Mulch's Metasurface.
However the mouse is a poor interface for a synth so I began to eye modular hardware and quickly zoomed in on eurorack.
After about half a year of research I decided to build a small eurorack from cardboard and a bunch of used modules I had pieced together. Now I have 6Ux84 and guess what -- no space left! Does that make me a typical wiggler?
Anyway, so far I am enjoying the ride even though the move from all digital/total recall to analog and volatile/momentary was quite the culture shock =0 I learned a lot during the past months, reading up, hunting modules - and most importantly, using them - and MG helped a great deal, so thanks again!
Currently I am researching options to organize the lovely noises I create into meaningful sequences, so a clock divider and a knob recorder are on my radar. I am also very interested in the art of modular live improvisation and controllers other than keyboards.
cheers,
Ralf
Hi Vinnie_Lee,
the deepest I know of is this 19" frame: http://www.doepfer.de/home_d.htm.
140 mm usable depth where the bus boards are.
Going with custom frames similar to this (http://clicksclocks.de/904) you could go deeper if you wanted to.
BTW some modules are only like 20 mm. That's why I built my cardboard skiff case just 38 mm deep on the shallow side.
I find that more convenient than working an upright case.
(late wish to Santa: A 'sort by depth' feature in the module browser would be nice :)
Thanks! It definitely makes it a lot easier putting this thing together when you have a goal for a specific type(s) of sound you're looking for, that's for sure.
Would the MI Frames not cover the panning? The description definitely says "Quadrophonic Panner". Would I be better off getting something more dedicated just to panning?
-- aeonblack
Yes, the frame can work as a panner, by plugging in a mono signal into the ALL jack, and the outputs will be 1 and 2. So, you can only pan one signal with the module(e.g. Pan the drone sound to the left, everything else is in the middle). And you lose the VCA function by doing this, I think.
You might want to add a couple of panning modules, A-134-1 from Doepfer($110) will do the job.
Hi there,
well the title says it all. would it be possible to program that?
I'd love to hear that!
-- polaricecaves
When I record something new i'll post @ https://octave.is/glia
Added Metropolis yesterday ! Triggers Chaos & Acid ! the 3 amigos :)
Nice system!
I try to do the same kind of music.
If it's up to me, I'll add 2 panning modules to pan some of the voices to the side, or VC them so they move across the stereo image.
-- Vinnie_Lee
Thanks! It definitely makes it a lot easier putting this thing together when you have a goal for a specific type(s) of sound you're looking for, that's for sure.
Would the MI Frames not cover the panning? The description definitely says "Quadrophonic Panner". Would I be better off getting something more dedicated just to panning?
Nice system!
I try to do the same kind of music.
If it was up to me, I'll add 2 panning modules to pan some of the voices to the side, or VC them so they move across the stereo image.
Made some more changes due to stock issues on some components.
I'm building this to do some slow wide drones mainly. And some mono basses, maybe a little bit sound design.
I also have a Korg SQ-1, and a Korg MS-20 Mini.
I want this to be all analogue. Will plan on a full digital system later.
Any opinion is welcomed!
Thanks!
does the discontinued DixieCTRL work with this unit ( or 4 of these ?)
is there a expansion header on the back :??
Removed the Metropolis. I just realized I have a Beatstep Pro that I never took out of the box (it arrived shortly after my Cirklon did, Cirklon>BSP). Added a Linx to up my VCA's. With the space increase I added in a Dixie2+, replaced the Intellijel Mult with an MI Links. Added in a Blue Lantern attenuator.
Removed one of the Mother-32's and added in a Metropolis and Atlantis to give a bit more variety, while still retaining similar functionality and depth (and possibly a few more options?). Also added in a Shapeshifter to give some wavetable options (Is that covered elsewhere in this setup?). Also replaced the oscilloscope with an O'tool to open up a bit more space. WMD and Malgorithm are both bitcrushers (I intend to only have one, but I wasn't sure which to go with, so I left them both in for now), but not as easily attainable as other modules here. Is there a better option?
It's not updating the picture since I changed a few things, so you'll have to click to the page to see the updated version I guess?
So, I just did a massive gear purge, and now I'm looking to get into modular in a big way. I want this synth to mainly be based around two types of sound/music: John Carpenter esque type horror stuff (which from what I've heard, the Mother-32's can easily accomplish), and low-fi, downtempo, ambient, etc. stuff (which I feel like the MI modules will work great for). I've got midi-to-cv with the mothers, and sequencing through them. I have a Sequentix Cirklon which I run as a master clock to everything in my studio, and I intend to do that here as well (so that it can actually integrate into the rest of my setup). I either use a Vermona DRM-1 (via cv/cirklon) for drums, or just my DSI Tempest, so percussion isn't much of a concern.
What would you change/add to this setup to accomplish what I'm looking for? I feel like I'm lacking on traditional VCO, VCA, VCF modules, but I also feel like the Mother's are picking up slack there. Thoughts?
Edit: the SY-02, VCO-SUB, MOD, ADSR, Adaptor and Outs are modules I currently have, so while I can definitely remove those for space, I do already have them.
Edit2: Added in a DC2 and CV expander for it to give a bit more flexibility.
Edit3: Added in an Intellijel Mixer
Edit4: Added a small Mult and VCO to fill up a couple small blanks on the right side.
3685 EUR en Modular Square con el Medium Tank de Intellijel y el Dark Link de Doepfer, mas los Expert Sleepers que sabrá el carajo dónde se consiguen en España. WTF.
I just realized it's quite a bit over the mini case's power spec ("200 mA @ +/-12V and 50 mA @ +5V"). Gah. Then again, I guess if anyone actually did this (crazy?), they'd probably be fine with switching out the power for something else.
I made a joke about 2hp modules and a mini case, but then I got thinking "what if?"..... This seems like it'd be fun to me. Anyone have any suggestions for changes?
December 0115 update:
Row #1 - left most: the Doepfer A-149-1, A-149-2, A-137-1 and Expert Sleepers Disting Mk2 are on their way to me, as I type.
Row #1 - the left most VCO is a Music From Outer Space 1V/oct. VCO converted to Euro format
Row #1 - the dual SSM2044 is only a panel that I found here. It's my Deathlehem / Barry Klein dual SSM2044 LPF
Row #1 - the 3 Pure VCAs are used to represent my 3 x CGS / René Schmidt triple input VCAs
Row #1 - the ES-12 bipdirectional switch is a Serge / CGS triple bi-directional switch
Row #2 - the 2 left most VCOs are Music From Outer Space 1V/oct. VCOs converted to Euro format
Row #3 - the pair of Universal Slope Generators are 2 x Serge / CGS USGs that I converted to Euro format
Also missing from this picture are:
The 3 of them are mounted in a standard Serge 17"x7" cabinet, on top of the euro cabinet.
5 stars out of five for Heren! I just bought 2 modules from him, and it was great in every aspect - modules were exactly as described, prices were ok, delivery was fast, and the communication was very pleasant! Thanks!
Yes, please do make whatever you like for yourself, and enjoy the great sounds Ben made, and don't present it as though you're offering a module with his sounds - pretty simple, really.
-- jicamasalad
MG is not a shop. Even more so it's not DSC's or Ninstrument's shop. So if you educate yourself as to what is available for purchase through MG the mistake is obviously on you.
This really should all be Private Message material, right?
-- jicamasalad
Probably should have gone directly to the source and asked your questions?
Who's more foolish, the fool or the one that argues with him?
This really should all be Private Message material, right?
Sorry everyone for stinking up the 'grid.
You really are a cranky hamster today, aren't you?
What would Google show me?
You are the one who posted the module on Modulargrid, which means, actually,yes, it IS your job to educate everyone; if it's just for yourself, make it private so folks like me don't get bent out of shape that you're ripping off Ben Burtt.
Yes, please do make whatever you like for yourself, and enjoy the great sounds Ben made, and don't present it as though you're offering a module with his sounds - pretty simple, really.
But you're all licensed, so no problems, right?
So why so upset at me?
Try using Google next time and just appear to be the moron as opposed to opening up your mouth and removing all doubt!
Seriously, it's my job to educate everyone to what I am doing? Let me guess you're a high school teacher too when you are not moonlighting as Lucasfilm police. This module is for myself and no one else. I can make whatever I fucking want for myself!
What a charmer you are!
And I thought I was the cranky one!
DSC, you are the one to provide the facts - but the module page has no technical specs whatsoever, (nor any indication that the sounds were officially licensed from Lucasfilm) so I should probably be forgiven for not "getting my fucking facts right". I guess the modified logo and lack of registered trademark symbol also made me suspicious of your module. Buying the book doesn't grant you the rights to repackage the electronics, last time I checked, but I'm sure your homage will be received in the right spirit.
