And I really couldnt care less what you think and I think that should be quite obvious. I have never sold a module here, i have bought a few.
Thread after thread of people asking what module they should buy. I'm here to design my racks. It's sad of course to see this platform sink to this level and I doubt that Dieter Döpfer would be impressed. But it's not my problem.
Both buyers and sellers are free to post here and we can all evaluate their statements for ourselves. If there's a particular post you take issue with, then by all means reply to it, but just saying stupid stuff like "If you get robbed, I really don't wanna hear your sob story" doesn't add anything to the dicussion, nor IMO does it lend credibility to your point of view lol.
-- adaris
Listen if you are robbed, let admin of modulargrid.net know about it, he may ask for more information or he may do something about it, he may also come to the conclusion that the accusation is not based in reality.
Yes it is a sob story since we are not able to confirm any of it. Theft should be taken up with the police while here we have some misunderstood players receiving their module just after writing this nonsense. Fine, if you want to take this platform in this direction of a witch hunt, do that. I have posted technical stuff here but I will not bother with posting it here if this is not a serious platform. That's just the reality of this. I like the grid and I need it and will use it. But this is a platform where guys could be posting things relevant to modular Synthesis, this is not it.
Well consider this, why should I believe those accusations?
There is a burden of proof here. I am in no position to get a clear picture of a dispute here and neither is anyone else. People come in here with a hidden agenda, I don't even know if Im interacting with a person or a script. Hell I could be interacting with Uli Behringer or one of his trolls.
So this is my view on this. I do have a problem with people conducting their buisness this way and if I was a seller, I wouldnt sell to some of those participating in this thread. So mabey this is a good thing after all becourse we get a list here of buyers to avoid.
best regards
I just think there should be other ways to deal with those things. After reading those comments I would seriously consider not selling a module, knowing that in 2 weeks if the module is still on it's way, the buyer is gonna be losing his shit.
It just seems to me that most of those reporting practically a robbery here on this thread, come back soon after and the issue has been resolved.
Robbery does happen but it seems to me people are a litlebit to triggerhappy.
I usually buy stuff, almost never sell but I think people should consider showing some respect to the seller. If you get robbed, I really don't wanna hear your sob story, wellcome to adulthood, contact web admin and have him block the guy and track his info so you can consider your next move.
My post is quite clear, good luck with your modular, stay happy 😊
@GunnarWaage, are you referring to my post ?
-- Slim
I don't think I made reference to anyone in particular.
I knew when I saw this post that it would go totally sideways. It seems to me that some people are used to receiving what they bought in 48 hours. But people trading modules here on modulargrid.net are not buisness people with a set routine when it comes to sending modules around the world. Of course one always takes a chance buying a module like that and sometimes one waits an awful long time. But I have had very enjoyable experience buyig and trading, been lucky I guess. But I also think most people are good and trustworthy and that a module usually arrives in the end. Threats and defaming people is not the way.
"This would get me the instrument (with more capability, but less keyboard?) for about $3,000 less!"
I'd say if you have 3,000 just get the Easel.
I don't know if I would consider this rack "Berlin School". However this is not a bad synth. The Erica edu vco is missing sync which is an important function, so mabey add a syncable vco. Plaits does pretty much everything but mabey not very Berlin School. But who cares, you can absolutely make this setup sound good. I see you have two sequential switches, do you need two ?
The SEM dual filter is a very good choice, but the fixed filter bank i didnt like when i had it, i found it to be pretty much useless but that's just me.
For this one step sequencing modulation (digital lfo's and envelopes) on to a filter would probably be my choice. Check out Acid rain Technologies Maestro.
I don't agree with much in this post but then I usually don't agree with anyone about anything in connection with music.
I think this is not such a big deal, if someone wants to try playing the electric guitar he goes out and buys one. Then he/she ends up selling it, end of story, or he becomes someone who likes to play the guitar. A basic modular costs something similar to a basic guitar and amp. Im not going to tell someone not to buy a guitar and amp. Sure a modular synth is not for eweryone, so my suggestion is get one, if you don't like it, sell it.
By the way my modular does not replace my awesome polysynths, Omnisphere for example, Pigments, Cobalt ect. Or my computer, I think people who don't like using computers in music production or sound design are living in the stoneage seriously;)
How does the Taiga and the Quadrantid Swarm behave together?
-- GrumoSound
I have not used them together but that opens up many possibillities for sure.
However I remember that the Mother 32 main audio output is quite hot, I used to plug it straight into another filter and with the signal being so strong I was able to drive that filter with some great results. I never checked the output of the Dfam but it's probably the same. So make sure an input on a different module can handle a strong signal. I think the inputs on the Taiga are supposed to be able to handle a lot but I love that synth so I won't take any chances with hot signals anytime soon.
Hi,
I´m thinking about racking my DFAM and Quadrantid Swarm but I know nothing about Eurorack. Please help me with this questions:
- I think I´d need a power module and an output module, will these work?
- Do I have to take anything in mind?
- Which other modules would be a good complement for this setup?
- How can I find an angled case for this? I can´t find any...
Thanks!
https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2210452.jpg
-- GrumoSound
ok so i have QS and the Taiga, sold Dfam long time ago. Make sure that a rack is well powered with a quality power module or system. Don't connect the Taiga to a Behringer power module !!!!
The Quadrantid Swarm has a reverb tank and so in order not to sacrifice the reverb, you need to be able to fit the reverb tank behind the module. My rack is big so I can actually make the original skiff rest behind it. Make sure you háve enough juice, those are all fantastic synths and it would be a shame to fry any of them becourse of lack of power.
Or just stick to the original skiffs, the power button on qs really is not a big deal, some would even call is just one more thing that can break 😊 good luck, those are kickass synths.
I can say the same that after 40 years of studio work my days of using Genelec's are over. I need speakers to be pleasant on my ears. However mixing and mastering is one thing, working on a modular I want to hear the whole spectrum that my ears are able to detect. When mastering a production unfortunately there is a window one must adhere to. Humans are in general cabable of hearing down to 20 hz, although a trained ear will go lower.
If a sound becomes unpleasant the same goes for a very low frequency as any other, then we need to fix it. An important thing to keep in mind is that just like an lfo which is inaudible to us mere humans but will still affect the audible register dramatically. A problem in the bottom end will have damaging results in our audible frequency spectrum. With a speaker system that does not hide those things from us, we can make use of the amazing possibilities that truly are there, if only we can detect them, hear them.
I have multiple ways out but it eventually goes through an Audient Nero monitor controller to a Kali Audio WS-12 sub and two Kali IN-8 v2. Adjustable crossover. The sub is foot-switchable on/off. Sounds great and good bang for the buck.
-- bopodoq
That is a sweet setup, I had the IN - 8 V2 and they are really good. I have been meaning to get the WS-12, it goes down to 23 hz if i remember correctly
If you want better low frequency response, add a subwoofer.
-- bopodoq
Lets just say I knew that already. I'm interested to hear about your speaker setup for your modular.
I would like to hear from members what type of speakers they are using. With Modular Synthesis we are dealing with such a wide frequency spectrum and although the bottom end tends to get cut during mastering, the fact remains that we are dealing with a lot of infra-sound. LFO's go way down into territory not detectable to the human ear, but me I would want to hear all that my ears can handle which should be around 20 htz, even lower.
I am using the KRK 10's, they go down to 26 htz but I am looking into solutions to go down to 20 or even lower.
Some may think this is a mad discussion, but with the gear we are using, it makes sence to me to want to hear it all or atleast as much as possible.
"I actually have a pretty high fail/doa rate of eurorack modules in my history. maybe not 40% but probably 25%. and my power situation is just fine thank you hahaha."
With a 25% of your modules failing there is something seriously wrong with your setup. I have to repeat my view on this. There are plenty of users here who don't know much about modular Synthesis, that's all fine. However when people are frying modules instead of playing them, be it at 25% or 40%, one has to wonder, have you considered the oboe or the Accordion ?
The right module next for you is the module you want. I don't understand why guys are asking other people how to design their rack or which module to buy.
Just make sure that coming out of the vca's you go through passive attenuators. Passive means nondestructive, without amplification.
In connection to the output module, if you are thinking to take multible channels to a mixer outside the rack, then youll probably want attenuators.
So 26 euros for a triple attenuator like this
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/thonk-at-at-at
How about a drum machine with a clock or midi input for 80$ and a Beatstep, just to make this more basic. Should amount to 200$ on ebay.
There are some amasing modules out there that I suggest you look into.
1) Make Noise Spectraphone
2) Eoawave Quadrantid Swarm
The Spectraphone I dont have yet but it seems to be a powerhouse.
I have the Quadrantid Swarm and is totally amasing really.
Dont cut yourself short buddy, If you buy 20 modules at once and all of them do 20 different things this is not going to be very workable instrument. I have had modules that seem awesome when you read the manual but when it comes to using them they just don't work for me.
I don't use Maths, I'd rather have those functions in separate modules. One of my favorite modules is a Doepfer decay, one stage envelope. That thing is unbelieveable, the harmonic distortion you get from it is fantastic. A low pass gate, another genius thing. Check out the XPO from Make Noise if you are looking for a vco. Eweryone seem to have Maths and Pamela and Ornament and good for them, I don't need them, atleast not now.
But also don't think I know all this, concentrate on what you want to hear, picture a sound and try to find the gear that will help you produce it.
There are people in youtube land who like to make things sound more complex than they are. Someone who actually knows what he is talking about and has a deep understanding of the subject, will break it down to the most simple and basic level.
So if manuals and menu diving are not your thing, don't torture yourself. Take those things one function at a time, one module at a time, use your ears instead of your eyes. You don't have to always understand what you are doing, that will come in time if you stick to this.
Yes that is my next step, install Pro tools again and go with an older version and see what happens. Try other DAW's also. But I have been using Pro Tools for more than 20 years so I would like to keep using it. Who knows how this will go
yes that has been my solution, generating new time code with a plugin on an audio track, sending it to bsp and from there to my other sequencers, worked flawlessly until I ran some updates to pro tools. Now nothing works
Exactly, the problem has to do with usb and unprecise midi code. I wish there was a solution that doesnt require you to go through all this headache again and again. I have my modular and then I have my polysynths and softsynths. I multitrack ewerything, record a voice and then stack up more voices. Pretty typical working method, nothing new there. So therefore I am surpriced that there isn't a working hassle-free solution to this already.
So one of the underdeveloped areas is sync. Although not exclusive to Eurorack it has to be said that sample accurate syncronisation of a DAW to USB Devices such as Arturia's Beat Step, remains an ongoing source of frustration.
Some time ago I had this solved. I bought a relatively cheap box from Expert Sleepers called USAMO. This box enabled me to install a plugin on a audio or instrument channel. The plugin then produced a time code that was sent through an audio output on my interface, from there over a jack cable to the USAMO box.
On the other side of the box a midi output to Beatstep Pro. And uallah I my DAW was in sample accurate syncronisation with my Eurorack.
Some time has passed, Operating systems come and go, I switch from PC to MAC and to make a long story short nothing is working at the moment.
I would apreciate a healthy discussion on this topic, do you have sync problems or is your system working.
Now I have 2 x Presonus Quantum 2626 running at 192 khz sampling rate and each connected via thunderbolt lll cables. They are synced between them by Word Clock BNC. Those then are set as one agregate device in the Apple Mini M1.
Here's the article I wrote and now seems to not be valid anymore, atleast it needs complete revision.
Well yes he probably understood that his theory was flawed. But no I will leave it standing. Those are small companies making Eurorack modules and their work should not be torn down here on those pages of modulargrid.net without premise.
I think Elvis made the right decision :)
Well I don't think you are lying, however, I don't think your problem is the quality of your modules. Something is faulty in your electrical setup.
"the failure rate in my studio is almost 40%. No lie....."
Well this is not normal and it doesnt point to one faulty module but rather a faulty system.
I have had my øchd for two years or so and I just bought two expanders so I need to buy one more øchd.
I have a huge system and many high end modules and I can safely say that the build quality of the øchd is superb and up there with the best of them, and the same should be sayd about Bill Wilson's design, simply a badass modulation source.
Now I don't know what type of transformers you are using or the electricity structure in your facilities, but I would unplug it and have it analyzed by a specialist.
I am not against it in general but it is quite an effort especially to port the data to MG. The images on that page don't look very useful either?
-- modulargrid
Ok I sent an email to "Look mum" about this thread so lets see if he can offer better pictures
Hi,
there is a
https://www.kosmodulargrid.com/-- klodifokan
Yes but it doesnt seem to have a functioning grid, meaning the option of making a rack and populating it. Another good thing is that the racks here on modulargrid.net will sum up the power consumtion + it will warn if a module could be incompatable. If someone can find the actual kosmo grid I'd be very happy
Is it not just 5U or something??
-- wishbonebrewery
Well I think the hight might be the same but the with is variable, although i must admit i have not checked since it is usually referred to as different format from 5u
I am a Eurorack guy venturing into doing DIY. I bought most of the kosmo pcp's and panels and I miss being able to use modulargrid designing the project. So I would like to ask admin to add the format.
Stay basic, build the signal path. For a true "polytimbral" you need vco, filter/lpg, an envelope and a vca/lpg for each voice.
ah ok, well you have an interesting project ahead of you, I wish you all the best with it.
You need to start with an understanding of a basic signal path and routing in a subtractive synth. lfo - vco, filter, envelope, vca
Another type of setup would be additive, look up those concepts, read about them:
Subtractive, additive, wavetables, granular and wave slicing methods, Physical modeling, AM, FM, TZFM,,,,,read, listen, think and learn.
I have never asked for advice on what modules to get and I will not offer it either. With your basic understanding of the signal flow, you then read about and listen to all the modules available at a given moment.
Compare sound, functions, ease or difficulty in operating them and ask youself, will they give you the result you are hearing or want to hear. Since you are going DIY you can afford to get a relatively stronger setup.
The rule is, don't look for complicating your setup, find out which are the building blocks of a functioning system. Do the study and don't ask people to make those choices for you, you'll be taking the enjoyment out of it that comes with study and hard work, enjoy the process.
I think eweryone need to follow their own path. I see nothing wrong with your setup but it would not be my choice, but who cares.
About the power, just make sure that the small 4 hp power supply modules have enough juice. Some modules take up more power and if there isnt enough you can end up frying them, i lost two modules that way. I don't like to give a lot of advice, but I would recomend that you look into using dedicated transformers.
I have been using those and they have worked really well, the guy is also very helpful. He also sells rails.
https://modularsynthlab.com/product/eurorack-power-kit-modular-synth-power-kit/
Well you can make it sound any way you like, I'd say check out some videos, dual vco's are for sound design, on the other end you have something like Plaits which gives you presets. Spectral Processors are also effective when it comes to ambiance. I always do my research before buying any gear, read the manual and some reviews, check out everything you can find on youtube.
The most versatile complex VCO I have used is the Furthrrrr from Endorphin.es. It also has TZFM Through-Zero Frequency Modulation which the DPO doesnt have. I have TZFM though in some of my other ones and I don't use it much. I highly recommend the Furthrrrr.
To me a complex vco is an absolute must.
My favorite and goto is the DPO. For wavetables I use the Shapeshifter. I also have 1010 music MOK Waverazor which is very effective but a highly specialized dual vco. I also have the Bataleur by Birdkids which has dual vco capabilities.
I was using the Furthrrrr Generator and it really is fantastic, however I decided to let it go and stick to the DPO, it is when all is said and done the character that i like the most and thats ultimately what it comes down to for me, taste.
But for less than 120 euros you can get Doepfer A-110-4 Thru Zero Quad VCO SE.
With that one you can start experimenting with what you already have like the guys are suggesting.
Good luck
The only dedicated wavefolder I have is the Fold Processor from Tiptop Audio and can't recommend it enough. https://www.modulargrid.net/e/tiptop-audio-fold-processor
Warps can work as a carrier oscillator. I like the Lxd for the strike input, I have that on my DPO and I think it's the same one, just patching a sine wave into it has dramatic rhythmic effects.
Yes the Enosc is probably a fantastic instrument on it's own, but I have not studied it enough. It's main function is to obtain modulation within it's own architecture I think. I think the Dixie is very solid, it has that wave-shape west coast feel.
Yes the Dixie is very nice and since you already have the components vca, envelopes I think it would do better then the Doepfer voice. I was referring to oscillator sync, the Dixie would then take it's pitch from the sync input and as a carrier of the wave from the other oscillator it stays in that pitch while you modulate the carrier. Another idea would be to stick with the Doepfer but add Warps from Mutable instruments, there you have a carrier with through zero capabilities. Or use the A-110-4 from Doepfer as a carrier, it also has TZFM (through zero), A-110-6 would be even better along with the 111 as the modulator. Just some ideas, you may not like it :)
The only thing I would like to have more of in a rack like this would be more sync and FM capability, but apart from that the rack seems it would be fun to work with.
Chris Mayer discusses this in his "feeding the monster" videos. It depends on what signal a mixer accepts, this varyes from one mixer to the next.
You have an adapter with an output of 19V, I would think that 12V would be better. You should get advice on this from 4ms before you turn your rack on again.
Edited to remove any, however remote, wiff of politics.
There will always be boutique builders, look at any corner of the gear world, they exist, from pedals, to synths, to guitars, drums, recording gear, whatever. So, I hope the costs come down. More people making music is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
-- baltergeist
Well if you don't mind people working for slave wages in places like China you can buy Behringer, you won't get quality though. I personally don't have empathy for people complaining over prices, Modular is far from expensive compared to other musical instruments.
I hope this market stays small and on a boutique level. Many modules are expensive to build and the only way to bring the costs down is to produce them with slave labor. I don't care who's the largest manufacturer, some of the best ones are handmade and I hope it stays that way, I prefer talking directly to the builder.
Good choice, all I know is their oscillators are among the very best around, I watched a very well performed test between 4 different oscillators, and the the AJH were pretty much outstanding of the 4. There is also a company in Berlin (ACL) which are making incredible oscillators and filters in the same tradition.
LilP, Well you seem have your head in a good place. I am using two Arturia Beatsteps Pro which gives me 4 64 step sequences, there is a polyphonic tool from a different perspective. I'm happy to hear that you have similar thoughts on polyphony in Eurorack as I do. One incredible instrument you might like is a new module from Humble Audio
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/humble-audio-quad-operator
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/humble-audio-algo-expander-for-quad-operator
This one is impressive. Its actually 4 oscillators that can be used as separate voices which sound amazing. But this is actually a Linear Through Zero FM Complex Oscillator. There are reviews on it already
You might be interested in this one.
