They only have one of each in stock..be ok 2 different ones?
https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/feedback-cp3-mixer-full-diy-kit/
https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/ai022-kit/
-- Indianabones007as long as you are happy, yes
-- JimHowell1970
Yeah I’m happy lad now 😊
-- JimHowell1970
They only have one of each in stock..be ok 2 different ones?
https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/feedback-cp3-mixer-full-diy-kit/
I've not got the hang of the quote section lol
- the reason for this is it can easily get really expensive and often an external drum machine makes much more sense... obviously I haven't got much - as I have an external drum machine, an external drum synthesizer (both midi only though - which is a pain) and in rack drums - and at least 3 ways to sequence them!!!
I have the Pulsar 23, which I have not tried yet but should sync up ok using OXI one and Clock in/out, just wanted the Case to have it all so I can take it with me to my jams etc and not have to take everything else, but thats not very often these days.>
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the fx aids are still digital - the advantage over the mfx is the sheer number of different algorithms that are available - about 200 iirc and Igor doesn't seem to stop adding them... the advantage of getting the fx aid pro 1st is the screen, if you then get another and want to occupy less space - you can opt for one of the smaller ones (depending on how many modulation inputs you want etc) and then rearrange the algos on the pro so that the 1st 32 algos are the same as on the smaller model - this way you can easily work out which algo you are using on the smaller one (which just uses leds to signify the position)
I think the FX pro aid will be plenty to get on with, probably get the MFX later but will have a better look.
I'd grab a couple - they're very useful - and probably soon after a happy nerding 3*MIA (which you'll want for modulation - once you start using the Maths properly - see the 'maths illustrated supplement' - you'll use the middle section of maths whilst patch programming)
I'll get a couple, Playing about tonight, I could use them
I've been watching some tutorials on Maths, starting to get my he round it a bit and started using it, experimenting.if I were you I'd also grab a passive mult kit - and get your mate to teach you how to solder - it's not that difficult!!! and then build the mixers yourself!!! soldering is a very handy skill to have!
like this one https://www.rakits.co.uk/product/passive-multiple-kit/
it looks ideal. I would love to get back into soldering, done it years ago, sure I could get the hang of it. Watching the video on the mixer and I'm sure I could manage that.I was looking at filter, probably just leave that the now to have a better look bu the Doepfer wasp one looks good and would be different from Qpas.
after watching some videos on the Wasp, I think I prefer the Ladder type like Instruo, but again, will take my time and check them out. Qpas came today an just checking it out..sounds awesome. Experimenting with Pams and I'm getting some great random stuff happening :)
hahaha... you think I'm saving you money... I'm really just reallocating it!!!
Yep, thats true but more wisely than I was doing before and better for what I need.
Once I pick up my stuff on Wednesday, I'll have my Envelopes and VCA's sorted for time being, that's what I wanted and then just take my time learning. the delay will be handy too.
Learned a lot..great help )
-- JimHowell1970
Thanks a lot Jim, this is a big help.
NP
I wasn't thinking that the MFX was to be used a s a filter, I though it was an effect for reverb, echo etc. I see it also does auto panning and phasing etc. So it can be used as a transient shaper, so I take it this is more the filtering side of it?
My mistake - I've only got Pams from alm and confused it with a filter - it was late!!! in that case you will probably find you want at least one more filter, at some point...
The peaks clone looks amazing, that's ideal. Looking at the After Late Audio ones. I watched a video on it and the guy was using branches to get a nice kick and snare, would this be a good option for some percussion, just would like something in there to get a beat. I was planning on the Coral as it has so many voice and would work well with the OXI one sequencer I have, drums, chords etc.
I often use my peaks for percussion - but I have a lot more modulation options - and I'd recommend using it for modulation...
you can create a 'beat' by feeding noise (or any other audio source for that matter) into a vca and opening the vca with a trigger from Pams or Maths - I would not worry about this initially though - I would concentrate on learning to patch and getting to know whatever the first batch of modules you buy inside out
I'm really stuck on the mixer side of things, can you recommend a couple that would be good for the CsL utputs as you mentioned. I'll leave the matrix mixer until I find and learn more about them.
any basic mono mixer will do - a lot of people like moog cp3 clones - AISynthesis harmonic mixer for example - as it has some gain - so adds some nice harmonics - or a happy nerding 3*mia, or a mutable shades clone - you will probably find you want multiples of these types of module! you'll probably want an end of chain mixer with send and return at some point in the future... I like the tesseract modular tex-mix (as it's inexpensive, expandable and available as diy) for this purpose
So if I was thinking the MFX was going to be my reverb/delay and you recommend delay and reverb, what other modules would you be thinking, something like the FX Aid?
I'm not sure of the algorithms on the MFX - personally I'd go for a couple of fx aids - at least one of them the pro (so you can see what you are doing easily) - imo it's better to have at least 2 effects units - 1 for delay and another for reverb - some will offer delay into reverb, but that's not necessarily what you'll want to patch - maybe you'll want to have vco into reverb into filter
Case No. 2 , lol, was hoping not to go down that route but I think its inevitable lol.
yes, says he with 8 cases...
I'm planning on going in next wednesday to my shop and picking up the Peaks Clone, ALM Tangled Qaurtet and MFX, if you can give me some advice on the reverb delay and mixer I could maybe them as well and then that would do me till I get my head round the rest lol
-- JimHowell1970
Thanks again :)
Ok, think I'm getting somewhere now lol
Going to leave percussion for now..(maybe 2nd case lol) and use what I can to create a beat, need to learn that anyway as you say.
I'll leave the MFX and go with the FX Aid pro just now, pure anologue sounds better to me, it looks great, i was originally planning on just getting the small one and MFX but decide which other one later.
Is this the mixer you were thinking of, my pal can put it together for me if needed. https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/ai022-kit/
There is also this one and one similar with a mix control..https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115758587017?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338268676&toolid=10044&customid=Cj0KCQjw0tKiBhC6ARIsAAOXutkoRF6OtlkVlL1gTITAwquPMOghldwNj8m6EudM2p5QBFq_sbg_1LIaAgUTEALw_wcB
I was looking at filter, probably just leave that the now to have a better look bu the Doepfer wasp one looks good and would be different from Qpas.
Thanks for your help and saving me money lol
:)
Pam's can do random, logic and looped random quantized pitch - so I'd hold off on the instruo random and logic and the turing machine for now
the qpas and the mfx will probably be enough filtering - so again hold off on the instruo filter
I'd seriously contemplate the 2 instruo dual vcas with a quad cascading vca - alm tangle quartet or the intellijel quad - more functionality in the same space and for less than 1/2 the price
I'd probably replace the 2 adsrs with a peaks clone
the instruo lion I'd also hold off on and get a simpler matrix mixer - firstly so that you get a good idea of what a matrix mixer is and how it works and secondly because I'd lose the dongley bits (the i/o and the loop cable) - also less expensive - go for a doepfer for example
I'd look at your mixing solution in general - the instruo vco could definitely do with a dedicated sub-mixer and the end of chain mixing looks poor - no send/return
I'm not convinced of the benefits of the xpan either - a happy nerding pan mix jr would take up less space and be much less expensive
I'd probably leave the percussion module for case number 2
I'd also want some sort of delay and reverb in there - which you might just about be able to squeeze in with the space savings
there's no need to fill the whole case straight away - go slowly and buy a single voiced minimum viable synth and go from there
I'd suggest taking a look at my signature and spending some time thinking about it before spending any money
-- JimHowell1970
Thanks a lot Jim, this is a big help.
I have been saving for a while so have the money to get a good bit done in my case but in no rush as I want to learn and find out what I need as I go along, so your info is a great help. I'm just trying to plan it out so I know what I'm getting, and I'm aware that it could all change.
I wasn't thinking that the MFX was to be used a s a filter, I though it was an effect for reverb, echo etc. I see it also does auto panning and phasing etc. So it can be used as a transient shaper, so I take it this is more the filtering side of it?
I think I'll go wiht the ALM Tangle Quartet for the VCA, I have already got one of the Instruo ones (a good deal)
The peaks clone looks amazing, that's ideal. Looking at the After Late Audio ones. I watched a video on it and the guy was using branches to get a nice kick and snare, would this be a good option for some percussion, just would like something in there to get a beat. I was planning on the Coral as it has so many voice and would work well with the OXI one sequencer I have, drums, chords etc.
I'm really stuck on the mixer side of things, can you recommend a couple that would be good for the CsL utputs as you mentioned. I'll leave the matrix mixer until I find and learn more about them.
So if I was thinking the MFX was going to be my reverb/delay and you recommend delay and reverb, what other modules would you be thinking, something like the FX Aid?
Case No. 2 , lol, was hoping not to go down that route but I think its inevitable lol.
I'm planning on going in next wednesday to my shop and picking up the Peaks Clone, ALM Tangled Qaurtet and MFX, if you can give me some advice on the reverb delay and mixer I could maybe them as well and then that would do me till I get my head round the rest lol
Many thanks
I have been trying different combinations and think I'm getting closer to my instrument.
Got power under max, only just though.
any thoughts on my modules guys?
Ok, I misunderstood the power issue.
Pam's can work as a quantizer, but perhaps better to use it for tempo tasks. Doepfer has a very affordable double quantizer and good features.
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/doepfer-a-156
Regarding the mixer, I meant a mixer in the rack to mix CV signals. Matrix type for example
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/ai-synthesis-ai008-matrix-mixer-black
in only 10HP.
-- ferranadsr
No worries, does Pams not do both at same time? Still learning about it. I’ve decided to not get Renee and stick with my OXI one for time being so if I put a small power module in I shouldn’t need to worry about space and power now. I can get the other quantizer and mixer you mentioned. I also want the Strymon module to put guitar pedals in. Might still have space for XPO! Excited about the new make noise module coming out though, sounds like a new stereo reverb, thanks for your help
Hi,
I think you will need more power for this rack. CP1A only gives 1A +/-12V.
With current modules, you will need at least 2A +12V.-- ferranadsr
Thanks mate
I was under the impression that the CP1A would only be needed for a couple of modules and not the full case, Case power is 1,4A.
I found another one, The endorphines one which is only 2hp, that would let me keep Maths.
I've been using quantizers in Pam's, only learning about this so no expert, will I still need another.
Do you recommend any external mixer? Trying to figure out what I need is puzzling me.
Many thanks
I'm trying to get this case to work but went over power so got recommended the Behringer CP1A which solves power issues. Looking for some feeback on these modules.
at moment I have
Pams
Xpan
Mimeophon
Qpas
1 x Instruo VinCA
Instruo Csl
Instruo OCHD
MFX
I have Maths which Im thinking of replacing with XPO, Plaits which I'm changing for Coral.
Thanks
Regarding the mixer. As you already have an x-pan, you could stick with the make noise schema for mixing and grab a moddemix to add to the case. I like to use the moddemix and optomix as a sub mixer before inserting it into the aux in on the x-pan. So rather than having 1 large mixing module, you can cascade submixers throughout the case and still have the benefit of the other functionality they add. And as mentioned above, maths is great for this as well.
-- WmVoid
I think I'll go with the Optomix and the Moddemix then, sounds good place to start. I have funds for OCHD and Black Modulator and Happy Nerding Mixer as well, do you think these are worth getting just now? If I got them I can then save for Pam's and see if I can pick up a New or a pro depending on availability.
Yeah I have the Shared System that I've expanded a bit (mostly within the MN ecosystem). I chose to stick with DPO rather than XPO for now as I still haven't gotten all of the good sounds out yet. I have added an xpan and qpas, and plan on mimeophon at some point.
Re: Rene/Seq: Rene + Tempi is my 'preset manager' because you can connect them via Select BUS and they will stay synced as in tempo bank to pattern. Rene as a sequencer is unlike every other sequencer Ive ever used. It really is a cheat code to creating counter point melodies and long musical sequences and variations + modulation source. It has its quirks like not starting on the first note after a reset, but for me the pros outweigh the cons.
For more traditional sequencing, Ive used a mutant brain with digitakt and that gives you 4 v/g outs + 4 clock/gate outs all controllable and recallable from the digitakt. It is very powerful combo plus you get drums and samples outside of the rack. I'm not fully aware of the oxis specs, but it seems very capable as well.
-- WmVoid
I think I'll probably end up getting Rene + Tempi, but not the now, I'll use the OXI and see how I go with that, it is great, 8CV and 8 Gate outs. Doesn't have drums like Digitakt though. I think I'll have enough to learn and get on with the rest of the case, which was my plan ayway. Those modules should fill top row.
Can't thank you enough for your help.
I consider Pam's an essential module for any system.
-- CitizenGain
I see a couple of PNW's for sale, I don't mind paying the extra if I know I'll get use out of the new functions but they will probabaly be lost on me till I learn more. I'll go for the Happy Nerding 4x St Mix then as well as mixer and if I need more later I can get another.
I'll leave sequencer just now and check some more out, I have enough to work with I think. I have the OXI One at moment but again, was looking for something to work in the rack more but this is not important just now.
What do you think I should get first? Concentrate on the modulation sources (Optomix OCHD and the Black modulator), are these good choices for me? I have enought to get them and PNW and Mixer just now, think that would give me plenty to get working with and keep me busy and a lot to learn.
Really appreciate your help.
Regarding the mixer. As you already have an x-pan, you could stick with the make noise schema for mixing and grab a moddemix to add to the case. I like to use the moddemix and optomix as a sub mixer before inserting it into the aux in on the x-pan. So rather than having 1 large mixing module, you can cascade submixers throughout the case and still have the benefit of the other functionality they add. And as mentioned above, maths is great for this as well.
-- WmVoid
Thanks Wm
Checked out the Moddemix and this seems a good idea, yeah think I would like to keep with Make noise stuff now if I can! I want sure if best to get a large mixer or go down different module route but this is wise since I would have other functions, learning all the time lol! My original plan was to get the Shared System but decided to get case and slowly build it myself and maybe change a few things on the way once I gathered more info on Modular and what I want. But I would like to stay close to it but with the new modules like xpan and Mimeophon. Does that make sense
Thanks
I need a mixer and was looking at Instruo Lion,.
I agree you do need a mixer, but what do you want the mixer for??? if you want it for end of chain and/or to have control over levels, then lion is probably not what you should be looking at... & personally for a matrix mixer I wouldn't really look at it - I prefer control over levels and no special loop cables or splitters, which I'd lose - or at the very least be searching a while for... if it really is a matrix mixer you want I'd go for something simpler - like the doepfer one or with vcas like the nonlinearcircuits or 4ms one(s)
-- JimHowell1970
Thanks Jim
No, I’m not really after something like a matrix mixer, yes, I would probably lose leads, I’m gathering a lot lol. I just wasn’t sure what to look for in a mixer and want to get something that would do into the future rather than have to buy again and I realise I need to go simpler now. Just looking for something to combine voices, I know the make noise case has a simple one, will this be enough to start? I have changed case now to show a Happy Nerding 4 channel one, would this be more simple to start with.? Appreciated
I'd probably try to focus on fewer voices. With Plaits, XPO and Cs-L/DPO you've got at least 3 sound sources in there (next to the three semi modulars you mentioned), only one VCF though. A pretty great one, that is. I love my XPO/QPAS combo but QPAS isn't gonna cover all the filtering needs for 3 oscillators. I'd add another stereo/dual VCF and/or a dual LPG like Optomix, LxD or MengQi's DPLPG.
Maths allows for mixing and function generation duties but you might want seperate modules for these tasks and open up Maths for its more sophisticated possibilities.
Mixers: Lion is quite a powerful matrix mixer and aesthetically it's a great match for Make Noise's black and gold line. The way you have to use pin and insert cables isn't for everybody though and might be something to get used to.
X-PAN needs modulation in order to really shine. Btw, I've had some great results modulating XPO, QPAS and X-PAN with Instruo's/DivKid's Ochd. It's only 4 HP wide, too.
Plaits, QPAS and X-PAN each come with a built-in VCA but that may not be enough. Especially if you wanna modulate your modulation which I consider really important in order to make a stereo patch really shine. Or for ping-pong sorta spreading of your left and right channel. Random voltages (noise source -> S&H) makes for some great modulation source as well. Really like to modulate Mimeophon's "zone" and "rate" this way.
I'd probably ditch the complex oscillator in order to make up the needed space for utilities, another VCF and modulation sources. I have an STO sit next to XPO for occassional complex FM patching.-- CitizenGain
Thank you for that great reply and help. I have done a new update on case, Again the top ones is the ones I have. I've ditched the Complex Oscillator one. I want to be able to use the Rack on it's own sometimes, thats why I thought maybe that would be good but I would really like the modulation sources as you mentioned first. Space is an issue for me and setting everything up together won't be feasable all the time.
I obviously don't know what I'm doing lol, it won't let me share the new one so here is just an image of it
https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2229100.jpg?1681772929
I have put the bottom ones in order I would like to get them. Do you think Rene and Pam's Pro would be a good choice as well.
Would that set up work better now?
Hi guys.
I've scrubbed my lst case asI decided to get the Make Noise 7u one.
Looking or advice, I'll be getting the case in a coupe of weeks, it's on order from USA.
The top row is the modules I've bought and the ones below are the ones I favour so far to get next, no particular order, just getting them if deals come up. I've done well I think with ones I have bought.
I'm unsure about Make Noise DPO or Instruo Csl, I like the sound of both but would like a different voice in there. I have 0-coast and Strega and also Moog Matriarch.
I need a mixer and was looking at Instruo Lion,.
I'm looking at just having fun with delay, stereo and harmonies etc
Many thanks
Hi,
I don't know Strymon module but addac has two independent lines, to make two independents pedal's chains.
Addac Isn't stereo,
I don't know if that feature is necessary for you.
Best regards,
-- ferranadsr
I think I would like stereo :)
Sorry, I meant to say start with a 6U case, not a 9U case.
Regarding the pedal, does it have a MIDI output? Normally to integrate pedals with Eurorack an ext module is used that amplifies/attenuates the outputs/returns.
For example
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/addac-system-addac200pi-
it has 2 channels (for two independent pedal lines).
Best regards,
-- ferranadsr
Cool, yeah the 6u would be ideal I think.
Microcosm has in and out midi, I also have Strymon Night Sky and Volante. Both have midi in and out. I just seen this Strymon module on the Nano samples case youtube videos, would love to incorporate my guitar and pedals, never thought that was possible.
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/strymon-aa-1
is that much different from the adda one you linked?
Hi and welcome,
Better the link to the rack, so we can check the modules...
To complement the Turing Machine a quantizer would go well
This is cheap and two-channel
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/doepfer-a-156
You talk about delays and effects, but I don't see any module of this type in your rack. I imagine that you intend to take the signal to the strega, but I would recommend at least some effects module with good modulation sources.
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/make-noise-mimeophon
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/qu-bit-electronix-nautilus
Do you plan to use an external mixer for the different sources?
This has a good quality/price/characteristics ratio
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/tesseract-modular-tex-mix-master-section
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/tesseract-modular-tex-mix-4-stereo-channels
I see you have plenty of voices, but if you want to keep a second oscillator and if the DIY issue is not important, for a 3340-type VCO I would recommend something like
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/make-noise-sto
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/nano-modules-ona
To complement your modulation sources I would add an additional mixer/att, highly recommended
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/intellijel-triplatt
And think of some clock divider, sequential switch, utilities are very important.
And definitely, start with a 9U case, even if you don't fill it at first, you will end up needing space, you have modules that consume a lot of HP.
Do not be overwhelmed, start little by little and you will see what you need.
Greetings,
-- ferranadsr
Hi ferranadsr,
mega thanks for your reply and feedback. Obviously as I'm new I am a bit overwhelmed and also lost with all the modules, but better to start with some idea and hopefully, with some good feedback like this, I'll have a better idea when I build.
I was originally looking at the Nano Modules CAIXA 104, recommended buy my local shop. I think it would be worth it for all the utilities etc but a lot of money to spend when I think I'll need at least a 6u quicker than I thought.
Love all the modules you linked, I'm now thinking if I go for a 6u then I can have my voices and filters etc on the bottom row and top row for effects and utilities. Is that what most people do?
I thought I had added Happy Nerding FX Audio, I was recommended this on Facebook as a good effect module. I have added it now.
Size is a big issue for me, I would love to try keep things at 6u maximum if possible, I'm hoping if I plan it right I will get close to where I need to be.
I have the Microcosm Delay pedal as well so would love to incorporate this into some of the voices but I would need a midi module to sync it, can you recommend one that would do the job, wou be iel if I could midi sync Matriarch as well..possible?
I'll go and watch some more videos on the ones you sent link for and work on a 6u case and see what I can get now.
All the best
Indy
HI, very new to modular. I have already bought Maths and Plaits (Good deal so went for it).
I hve put this rack together going with what I've found out so far, looking for help and any suggestions. I'm not sure if I should get a 3u or 6u case yet.
https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2218346.jpg
My initial thought is to get 3u just now and save to get something like the Make Noise case.
I have a Moog Matriarch which I want to incorporate with this rack and also Make Noise O-Coast and Strega. I have an OXI One sequencer.
I want to make lots of harmonies with lovely delays and some rhythm sections aand have lots of fun learning.
Thanks
Indy
