Thread: First system

Hey, Doc! It looks like your post has been left out here with us crickets.

My Experience

I've been experimenting with eurorack modular for a little over a year now. I have two travel cases and a skiff I use. You can see my setup on my account (current system #1 and current system #2). I am in the process of rearranging my gear and selling off some modules which I hate to part with but they don't fit into my rig anymore. :-( Like Rossum's Evolution filter is a really sweet module but it's out of place for me now. You can check out my planned rig which is Erica Synths Rack v4.4.0 (horizontal arrangement). I also have a Dave Smith Instruments Pro-2 which I'm crazy about. LOVE that keyboard. Very well thought out. And a Nord Lead A1. That last one is a great keyboard synth to learn on. It helped me a lot. The Pro-2 interfaces with eurorack modular very nicely.

Your Question

If this is your first system, you have quite a mishmash of modules. It looks very much the way I started out a while ago. I had no idea what I was dealing with. However, I quickly learned how expensive modular synths can be! If you're interested in ambient sound and sound shaping to start, then you really only need an oscillator and an output module. This isn't very practical, but it can work. Let's take it a step further. I would add another oscillator or get a dual oscillator module. I see in your "I don't know what I'm doing" rack you have the Batumi and the Deeper A-111 which can work. Alternatives to this are Make Noise DPO, Erica Synths Black VCO and Expander, Mutable Instruments Braids. I highly recommend any of these modules for a sound source. Good quality and keepers.

The reason two oscillators are more fun (in case you don't know) is because you can play around with signal beating where two waves of same or different shape are near each other in frequency or an integer multiple of each others frequency. Very good for ambient.

Basic Signal Flow

By the way, since you are new to all this, the basic signal flow goes like this: (oscillator) -> (optional filter) -> (VCA) -> (optional filter) -> (optional mixer) -> (output).

The simplest pathway is (oscillator) -> (output).

A step up from that is (oscillator) -> (VCA) -> (output).

Modulation can come into any of these paths at any point. You can use an LFO for oscillation or another sound source. In fact, you can do pretty much whatever you want, just try not to put an output into an output. Many better modules are protected against this though.

I see in your rig that you have multiple low frequency oscillator (LFO) sources. You probably have too many. The MATHS module is excellent. But it's complicated. It is not so much how it works but what can be done with it. Exploring the MATHS module to fully understand it is a small job. But very worthwhile. The Make Noise manual has some excellent exercises to try. Even better (from my experience) is find someone that would be willing to walk you though it's operations and teach you how to use it not just how it works.

Voltage Controlled Amplifiers (VCAs) are important if you want to shape the sound by volume. And you will. However, for every VCA you will likely need an envelope generator (EG) or LFO. Typical envelope generators are AD or AR, or ADSR. Let me know if you need clarification on what these are. I see you've selected the Doepfer A-131 and the Intellijel Dual ASDR. These can work for you.

The Pressure Points module is also a good idea. It is a great learning tool and is fun to play around with. It can be used for control voltage (CV) or pitch information (to a sound source). With multiple oscillators you can play three note chords.

Wrapping It Up

If you are interested in ambient sounds and such, then I would forget about most of the modules you have in your rig. No sequencers yet, for example. (That means you would have no need at this point for a clock or clock divider.) Stay with the basic signal chain and learn how things work. It's a steep learning curve and you won't benefit from making it harder on yourself. That's my two cents.

One other thing I would recommend adding because of the joy/fun factor is a reverb and delay module. I have used Erica Synths Blackhole DSP, Make Noise Erbe-verb, Synthesis Technologies E580 mini delay, and the Expert Sleepers Disting. I would recommend the Blackhole and the Erbe-verb most for the money. And I completely forgot to mention the Disting a while back. I recommend looking into the new Disting module by Expert Sleepers. It has delay and reverb functions. It is not any easy module to work right out of the box (Os loves to be cryptic, I think. And he programs in his sleep :-). The new mk 4 disting is more accessible though. And it has many functions that can teach you what other modules you might like to spend $$$ on in the future. For example, clocks and clock dividers and sequencers. And it can convert midi files to CV and play audio and granulate! In fact, the Disting modules are also a small job. :-)

So, my final thoughts, since you asked, are start light, learn, and build up saving your $$$ for better more meaningful modules as you gain experiment and start putting A and B together. $4000+ is a lot to spend if that is what you are thinking. If it were my money, I would want to make it count. Then again you could always purchase a gorgeous acoustic guitar for $36,000. Heck. You could spend that much on a drum set!

I like to share what I learn. It helps me learn more. So, if this has been helpful to you, please...ask questions. I will do my best to point you in the right direction.

alex (lexi000)


Even though it's not DIY or pure analog, you might want to check this module out anyway. I just got one and it seems a perfect fit for the styles you mentioned.

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/4ms-company-spectral-multiband-resonant-filter
-- Synnic

Oh lord, yes. I got to play with one at Modular Eight in Portland when I was there. Unfortunately waaay out of my price range (advanced hobbyist).


Highly recommend @meltermusic - bought a module direct from him, fast shipping, smooth transaction, very knowledgeable, hope to deal with again.


Thread: unit 02

so right now, this tiny case is a supplementary one for my 6u (unit 01) that i have planned out for some live shows i am doing this summer.
its function is really two fold. 1) it acts as an efx/processing case for everything going on in my 6u and 2.) if for some reason something were to happen to my 6u, i could still play a minimal set using just what is here in this 4u case.

This one looks sick. I like the idea of smaller contained modular pieces that serve a set function/purpose. The 1u rack above the 3u makes them more realistic sizewise.

If you don't mind me asking how you envisage yourself using this one? Like what roles in your music/sound experiments?

Nice one
-- Kayv


Thread: unit 02

This one looks sick. I like the idea of smaller contained modular pieces that serve a set function/purpose. The 1u rack above the 3u makes them more realistic sizewise.

If you don't mind me asking how you envisage yourself using this one? Like what roles in your music/sound experiments?

Nice one


Do all the modules work if connected by themselves? Also, a lot of power supplies have overcurrent protection and will shut themselves down to protect your equipment if too much amperage is drawn. It's possible you could have a power supply that doesn't match it's published ratings or a module drawing more power than the spec. Have you tried starting with just one module and adding the others back one at a time?


Even though it's not DIY or pure analog, you might want to check this module out anyway. I just got one and it seems a perfect fit for the styles you mentioned.

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/4ms-company-spectral-multiband-resonant-filter


Below is the layout for my first eurorack modular synth. The actual case is an SKB 3U shallow rack with a Happy Ending kit. It's a bit of an odd duck because I already have the Korg MS-20 mini, Korg SQ-1, Arturia BeatStep Pro, Arturia KeyStep, etc. I looked toward adding sounds rather than duplicating functions that I already have for my first purchase. In spite of that, I think it's a fairly interesting synth even standalone. I've already gotten some intriguing sounds out of it. The guys at Control Voltage in Portland did a great job helping me out.

So now that I've explained a bit about my synth, what would you suggest for the wish list that I'll be working off of when I'm ready to add another row?

ModularGrid Rack


Cool, panel looks great!


@DSC Sorry! I thought I added the link when I uploaded it yesterday.


You should at least link to the original Manufacturer's site!


As $subject. The parameters are: DIY-only, analog signal only (I'm OK with digital control, depending), and trying to keep the per-module cost less than 100$US (flexible on that; kinda have to be :D)
Inverted panels represent DIY projects in progress.
Stylistically, I'm interested in drone/ambient/generative/random etc...


Hy I bought a Clouds (Mutable instruments) and not work well.
There is a high sound like beep loud and I hear the sound very low.
Also Even though I follow the instruction It doesn't install the original firmware.
Someone can suggest me.

Thank's


Missing som VCA
-- dsclerc

Oh, you're right; thought I still had the Ripples in there. On the subject of VCAs and filters, is there an advantage to having a low pass gate like the Optomix as opposed to having a discrete VCF and VCA?


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Missing som VCA


Hi all. As a college student on a limited budget (research stipend, lol) and with relatively limited knowledge of modular synths, I was wondering whether this rack makes any sense at all. Any help or feedback is welcome; thanks!


This setup in action...


hello i am confused. my current modular, brand new assembly, does not start. there is some kind of power issue. however when looking at consumption it shoulds be fine, do you guys have any clue why? This Doepfer handles 1200 mA, in 3 rows of 400 I presume. Each row stays below 400mA. Actually even when leaving only the 3 Moogs and unplugging the rest, that thing wont start.

any clue is welcome thanks.


Great module with a lot of features in a small space. The 1.11 update fixed tuning issues from 1.0 and added some great new features.


Tried to create a rack with some gear. Somehow, stuff seemed to disappear, so I re-added it. Now I see there are supposedly, 17 modules but only 9 are actually visible and the visible ones are the only ones I actually want-- how do I find these invisible modules to delete them? They show up in the data sheet but the data sheet doesn't allow me to delete them there. Consequently, the power and price calculations are way off...


Anders S
4ms Vcamatrix
Vermona TwinVCAmp
ES FH-1
Mannequins Just Friends
Mannequins Three Sisters
E-mu Morpheus
Qu-bit Nanorand
MI Peaks


Had a very pleasant interaction with @Weepwow - thanks and enjoy the module.


Alright to all of that.
It just expected to see my latest module on top of that list. In fact it is not.
Instead, they are sorted by some other date, probably when the module was first entered into the data base.
Am I more clear now?


It follows the same rules like a standard search. So you can sort by Newest, Popular, Alphabetic, Price, HP, Manufacturer, Depth.
All the other search parameter work, too. So you can filter for VCA or manufacturer.


When viewing the My Modules tab in the module browser I expect to see at the top of the list the module I added most recently. The order follows some other rule though. Maybe it is sorted by date it was added to the site? Wondering...


May I also recommend
@porphyrion
@demutant
@JoeLee
Great to deal with, thank you!


Thanks a lot for your kind words, @Yochwired
Smooth, seamless deal indeed, fast payment, very good communication!
Fully recommended!


Pff


thanks a lot! you have the eye cause it's almost out of fashion now :) but I love it's analog sound palette.

I am already following you on soundcloud -you make great tracks! thank you for commenting my rack

I started a video production business 3 years ago, spent those years pretty much away from music.
Hope to come back to it and post a lot of new tracks this year!

Sync to computer offer so much possibilities, I could not pass sync-gen, very tight sync.


This reminds me of the windowlicker car


This module will let the people know about this http://sfwriterstoolkit.com/ so that the interested people could know about the sep up procedure for the best module.Hope you could find a reliable helping hand.


If you are really into long, non-repetaive drone soundscapes you should take a look at some of the NLC modules like Sloth. Something that does slow, chaotic modulation like this is a must.


Just receive the Erica Dtech VCF from @Belleville
Excellent deal. Fast shipping !


Tesseract is undergoing a transformation. I am switching from a 126hp case to a 12u portable for live shows. tesseract will be integrated into a new system called Antiprism.


Great deal with @GOLDEG - very nice to deal with, good coms, sent me the tracking number as soon as it was posted, and it all arrived safely! Please also see his post above detailing his name change from @penrose_riots

Stochastic Instruments Ltd.
Rethink Random//Perform Process//Create Chaos

Save the World Entire: Vegan
End the holocaust. Change our world with science.


Any news on this company or module? Their website doesn't work, and it's nigh impossible to find anything else on them.
-- HammyHavoc

Also check for Zersum Inertia on Instagram. Probably the easiest way to keep up to date on future build runs / purchase.

Here is a super quick "demo" I put together for this module (IG limits you to 1 min of video):
http://instagram.com/p/BTzJlaHAJMu/


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Hello
I am new here and I just purchase an Intellijel TPS30 MINI bus board. I need some beginerr advice for my first modules.
Without any musical knowledge, I want to star small and slow.
I make few options from 44HP to 60HP setup that I will like your opinion.
All the racks have the Oscilloscope DATA (16HP). I like the idea to visualise what is going on.
Instead, to mix and match brands I opt for same modules brand

Do they make sense?
Do I miss anything important, is there something I can omit?
One question that is almost shameful, where are you connecting your monitors or cans?
Thank you!

Erica and Make Noise my two favorites configurations.
In order of preference
LeRAW 60 Erica. Alternative: Black VCO instead Black Wavetable VCO
ModularGrid Rack

LeRAW 54 Make Noise
ModularGrid Rack

LeRAW 60 Doepfer
ModularGrid Rack

LeRAW 60 Mutable Instruments
ModularGrid Rack

LeRAW 44 Intellijel. Alternative: PLOG instead one Dixie II+
ModularGrid Rack

I forgot power will be on the side.
The 1U Will not be in use at the moment


Excellent transaction/trade with @behndy. Great guy to deal with.

Also a big shout out, thank you to @facklr a guru on modular, great guy who helped me through my initial struggles with figuring it all out.


My first release. Hope you enjoy.

http://blueinplastic.bandcamp.com/album/a17


Maintain separate sequence for drum pattern from the Neuron.


The Mother 32 has a built-in sequencer. Any particular reason why you want a second sequencer?


Perfect, power wise would you go for this or a 4MS? And the power is way more then good enough as its just a small rack I guess?


Yes, the Veils can be used as a mixer.


Hi, thanks for the reply, yesterday I noticed this and the rack has changed though not updated on here, swaped the doepfer A-111 for a mutable veils? that a good plan?


Have you got an external mixer? Otherwise you might consider including an audio (logarithmic) mixer module.


Got a mother 32 a while back but looking to add a little custom eurorack. Don't know much of what I am doing and am looking for help regarding power and audio output? Help is appreciated!


the edits spurred the rant about had this field set already - ie Doepfer stuff. A quick search yields that 24 or 37 with the word discontinued in it, have this field set.

I agree it's a community effort. That's the point, really. There is quite a bit of effort to be had without people added to the the pile. (duplicate entries, incomplete entries, person modules not marked as private, etc).

I personally updated the field on 250+ modules. There are some that are manufacturer locked but generally the major manufacturer stuff is marked properly.


Hello! Thanks for taking a look at my rack!

As the title says, I'm trying to build a rack to create warm, luscious, droning soundscapes.

Lots of effects, layering and textures are needed and a little bit of sampling capability.

I'm very, very new to modular/euro rack so I'm not entirely sure what I need and I don't know if any of this is redundant.

This is an ideal or dream rig but I certainly don't plan on getting it all at once, just a base to start from and figure out what's needed, what isn't needed, if there are crucial modules to make it work... or even if it will work at all!

Anyways, any help on building a rack as I previously described would be wonderful!

Thanks again!

Bryan


Problem is that most modules don't have that flag attached and are listed under the Property unassigned label.
We should make some kind of community data sanitation event to complete the data at one point...