Putting a Mother 32 in a Behringer Eurorack rack video

Very quick followup to my Behringer eurorack rack overview video.
Putting my Mother 32 in this unit. Very simple, very straightforward, but figured I'd post it just for completeness. A

Uhhhhh...

No, I'll let someone else point out the obvious here...I'm tired of having to repeat the same goddamn thing over and over.

EDITED Feb 9th 2022, 01:11

No, I'll let someone else point out the obvious here...I'm tired of having to repeat the same goddamn thing over and over.
-- Lugia

But you did feel compelled to post a content free reply. I celebrate your enthusiasm.
--ck

Someone asked off-line how I was going to finish out this rack module. Three more modules;
- the Quad LFO from 4MS, since Moogs love Mods
- A Befaco Out to feed my Focusrite Claret in the studio
- And one empty slot. I plan to put a powered Multi in there, but I don't have a spare right now, will fill it with a Patching Panda Copycat.

Leaves like a 1 HP gap but I can live with that.

EDITED Feb 9th 2022, 23:04

• And one empty slot. I plan to put a powered Multi in there
  -- Ravenware

I had a good laugh imagining our dear Lugia reading this line

But in all seriousness, I don't understand the goal here... Is this intended to be a build that lives on its own, in which case why go for such a small case and a buff mult ? Do you really intend to use the gates from the M32 sequencer as is to trigger the pingable LFO or completely disregard the pingable aspect of it ?
Or is this supposed to be part of a larger setup, in which case why is that information completely missing from here, greatly reducing the interest for others users of this forum ?

Someone asked off-line how I was going to finish out this rack module. Three more modules;
-- Ravenware

Did someone really ask you offline ? If so, why did you chose another communication channel to answer their question ?

I wish you would celebrate logical and critical thinking instead of Lugia's enthusiasm to try and help people around here...

EDITED Feb 10th 2022, 11:23

Hey Ravenware,

No, I'll let someone else point out the obvious here...I'm tired of having to repeat the same goddamn thing over and over.
-- Lugia

What Lugia is trying to tell you or not trying to tell you here, is that taking anything out of one powered case and putting it in another case is pointless in terms of cost. This is of course actually obvious. However, the argument also only considers the financial aspect and there can be many other reasons for integrating a stand-alone device into a modular synth rack. Be it aesthetic, organizational, structural or just because it looks cool. I also had a Model D in my rack for a while and it was just the right spot for me. As the owner of a modular synthesizer, you build your own instrument and a wide variety of aspects play a role.

Did someone really ask you offline ? If so, why did you chose another communication channel to answer their question ?

I wish you would celebrate logical and critical thinking instead of Lugia's enthusiasm to try and help people around here...

-- toodee

Regardless of whether the idea makes sense to you, I don't understand why you have to be so hostile and also arrogant towards someone who only presents his project here.

You'll get dust in that 1hp gap or worse something conductive, trust me. I would recommend getting or 3d printing a 1hp blank.

All of the quoted material below is very odd to me.
I'll address the questions, but first want to be clear on my intent. When I do something in this space (as I've done in many specialized forums (including a very popular one I co-owned in the '90s focused on Kurzweil keyboards) over the past 43 years since getting my Hayes modem for my Apple ][ in 1979) I will post about it. This post is in the "You" area, where social media information is presented. I did something with a modular rig, recorded it, and posted it. That is the intent of the "You" area, correct?

But in all seriousness, I don't understand the goal here
-- toodee

This is difficult for me to understand. The title of the post is "Putting a Mother 32 in a Behringer Eurorack rack" . That's what is subsequently shown. So the "goal" as expressed in the title is demonstrated as a unitary thing in the subsequent text and video. If there were another goal expressed, like "Putting a Mother 32 in a Behringer Eurorack rack and integrating it with a larger setup" then I certainly would have attempted to meet that goal, but that was not the expression.

Or is this supposed to be part of a larger setup, in which
case why is that information completely missing from here,

Again, that was not the intent. I often produce videos that are "modular", the address one single aspect, one bite-sized piece of information in a larger whole. Nothing was intended or implied to be comprehensive or part of a grander strategy or layout. It is, of course, and there will be a photo of the current studio rig below, but that's irrelevant to this post. This was and is about one thing that some might be interested in seeing prior to doing it themselves.
Where I do have wanted to show integration into a larger studio I would have titled the post something different.
And simply because some people on a forum are not interested in a topic is, of course, no reason to withhold a post, else most forums would be very bare indeed.

greatly reducing the interest for others users of this forum ?

And that is why a title is used. The title encapsulates the information to be provided. This (hopefully) prevents someone who may not be interested from wasting his or her time viewing the post. My intent is never, since it's generally impossible, to make a post that is interesting to every individual member of a forum. That is a Sisyphean task that I don't undertake.

Did someone really ask you offline ? If so, why did you chose >another communication channel to answer their question ?

Yes, on YouTube. I shared the response here since in my experience I've found that a question by one person is unasked but in the minds of at least 10 more, potentially in other locations. And since it was added to this thread (instead of creating a new one) then it was no more intrusive than the original, bounded, post.

I wish you would celebrate logical and critical thinking instead

But I am. My logical thinking is, again, "here's a thing someone might want to do, now they have [another] resource to review before doing so". And my critical thinking is "I don't want to bury this information in a broader video about an entire rig, so we'll isolate the key points".

What Lugia is trying to tell you or not trying to tell you >here, is that taking anything out of one powered case and >putting it in another case is pointless in terms of cost.
-- Baltus

I really don't understand this. No where in my post or in the video directly was there any mention of cost. Cost was and is irrelevant in this posting, I don't understand how "cost" could have been pulled out of anything posted.
My "point" was "Here's a thing people might want to do. I'm doing it. I'll post a video resource for a future person's potential reference". Had I said "and you'll save money" then certainly that's a point for discussion, but I did not.

And while this may be true (I don't know, since this person did not clarify their intent themself) the original post that I responded to did NOT contain that information, nor any other information, to determine what the intent was. That is a non-useful posting on any forum.

Anyway, this discussion is certainly interesting. And I will continue to post links to videos that might not be "complete" in a global holistic entire studio sense with every aspect of any installation detailed in great length every time I post. I do not believe that violates any Forum rules, though it may from time to time not be to the taste of specific readers.

And just for fun, here is the sub-rack that this unit is being integrated into, still needs a number of components that I am currently building, and posting videos of the builds that you'll also see links to posted here. Of course, this is just one of my racks, I hope not including the entire current state of my studio is not also received as a faux pas.

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You'll get dust in that 1hp gap or worse something conductive, trust me.
-- aramaki23

Good thought, but as you'll see from the picture I posted in response to another comment, this is going in to an open-backed setup in my studio, so dust, cat hair, and other airborne contaminants are rampant. I live with it.

hahaha - well usually when people start posting in a forum, they've hung around a bit and read a load of other posts... if you had then you would understand...

the general thinking on the subject of putting semi-modulars in racks is that it's incredibly wasteful - and definitely not something to be encouraged, in fact it is something to be heartily discouraged - semi's tend to come with powered racks already so you've already paid for power and somewhere to put it once - so taking it out of its case and putting it in a rack is considered to be paying for this twice and wasting rack space that could be used for other modules that actually need the rack space and power - so posting a video of something that should be discouraged - is against the general grain of the forum and should be expected to meet with derision and sarcastic humour (for most of the regular contributors to this forum, sarcasm is our native tongue, no matter the country we were born in)

saying that chill out and have fun...

EDITED Feb 10th 2022, 16:35

hahaha - well usually when people start posting in a forum, they've hung around a bit and read a >load of other posts...

Or not. If a poster stays within the boundaries of the forum rules (if posted) then they can certainly post anything that is relevant and within those rules.

the general thinking on the subject of putting semi-modulars in racks is that it's incredibly wasteful -... so posting a video of something that should be discouraged

So what you're saying is that a post on this forum is supposed to adhere to the "groupthink" currently existing, rather than to an expression of an alternative option? Again, seems very odd to me.
For me, and for other people I have encountered, rack space is much more available than desk space. So moving a desktop synth into a rack is much much more effective than piling stand-alone synths on various flat surfaces. For me, putting a Mother 32 or Model-D in a rack is much much more efficient and useful than not. Others have many valid reasons for not doing that, but doing so is not wrong.

• is against the general grain of the forum and should be expected to meet with derision and sarcastic humour
  -- JimHowell1970

Responding to a valid alternate use for a synthesizer unit with "derision and sarcastic humour" seems a very hostile and unpleasant way to develop a community. Light hearted humorous responses certainly add spice to a forum and are fun, but not "derision". I will continue to not assume hostility to ideas that are valid but not part of some forum-universal thought-ban and post them.
Thanks for your feedback.
--ck

EDITED Feb 10th 2022, 17:02

you are totally missing the point

I will direct you to "usually" in the first sentence, "our native language is sarcasm", and "chill out and have fun"...

get a sense of humour and chill out! FFS

EDITED Feb 10th 2022, 17:10

you are totally missing the point

I don't believe I am missing the point, however you are free to express that opinion. And believe me, I have an excellent sense of humor. I also like to provide clarification when something I have said or posted appears to be misinterpreted.

Hopefully you can embrace that also, and engage your own sense of humor.
--ck

you are totally missing the point

And believe me, I have an excellent sense of humor.

But not when you are the butt of the joke, it seems!

Hopefully you can embrace that also, and engage your own sense of humor.
--ck
-- Ravenware

Trust me, I'm laughing my fucking ass off!

But not when you are the butt of the joke, it seems!
-- JimHowell1970

OK, insert the obligatory "Haha LMFAO" to all my posts, since that's what's happening in my head anyway.

And I will admit, posting wars (whether through 300 baud BBSs or gigaspeed forums ) has always been very entertaining to me. Diktat posts that aim to impose absolute "this is the correct thing, noting else is valid" are always rich fields for engaging in lively conversation. To Quote from Gladiator Are you not entertained?????

But enough on this thread, since Im sure it's not necessarily entertaining to enough people, I'll cease my little enjoyment.

But there will be a new build video in a couple of days on the Befaco Muxlicer, which I found to be an interesting build and a very deep unit which I have just scratched the surface on.
--ck

EDITED Feb 10th 2022, 17:46

But not when you are the butt of the joke, it seems!
-- JimHowell1970

OK, insert the obligatory "Haha LMFAO" to all my posts, since that's what's happening in my head anyway.

And I will admit, posting wars (whether through 300 baud BBSs or gigaspeed forums ) has always been very entertaining to me. To Quote from Gladiator Are you not entertained?????

But enough on this thread, since Im sure it's not necessarily entertaining to enough people, I'll cease my little enjoyment.

But there will be a new build video in a couple of days on the Befaco Muxlicer, which I found to be an interesting build and a very deep unit which I have just scratched the surface on.
--ck

-- Ravenware

yeah probably a good idea... it's not like too much fun is possible!!

"Are you not entertained" - I was, especially your post with your rack in it - everything else is DIY - so frugality seems to be important to you - which is the opposite of racking a semi - I like DIY 1/2 my racks are DIY!

Muxlicer build video - much better idea... non-controversial - did you buy a kit or source your own components? I've done both for befaco modules - there would be a huge blooper reel of my reaction to realising I'd bought normal sized 1/4w resistors, if I'd doen a build video for it - when 1/4w in 1/8w cases were required... argh... or realising I'd bought another wrong sized part because the only source of the correct sized part is TME and not mouser! - TME is where befaco buy their components from... found out after!

can we rate you compared to SynthDIYGuy? extra points for swearing, self-deprecating humour, burning yourself, desoldering accidents etc etc! he gets nil points for any of those - so you might be on a winner!

EDITED Feb 10th 2022, 18:05

I was, especially your post with your rack in it - everything else is DIY - so frugality seems to be
important to you - which is the opposite of racking a semi - I like DIY 1/2 my racks are DIY!
-- JimHowell1970

Hehe. I actually recently retired from 31 years in software management at Apple so frugality is not one of my hallmark characteristics. Being a slob and loving to build stuff from scratch my entire life is, which is why so much looks (and is) DIY.

Muxlicer build video - much better idea... non-controversial - did you buy a kit or source your
own components?

For a company like Befaco I find that they provide high quality parts and I buy their full set. Some others (I won't mention names) use really poor quality parts, or parts that don't actually fit (very aggravating) so I buy the PCB and panel and dd my own parts from my bench stock or buy from Mouser, AmplifiedParts, Thonk, or others.

the correct sized part is TME and not mouser! - TME is where befaco buy their components >from... found out after!

Yeah, Befaco is interesting. Has anyone ever found out why their circuit board traces have curves and curly bits vs. the relatively straight traces everyone else uses? I've asked them with no response....

can we rate you compared to SynthDIYGuy? extra points for swearing, self-deprecating humour, >burning yourself, desoldering accidents etc etc! he gets nil points for any of those - so you might >be on a winner!

Rate away. I have evolved over my life from "smartass kid" to "overbearing know-it-all" to my now current "grumpy old man" personas, and it's all fun.

Want to see extreme DIY? Here's a snapshot of my testing rack in my workshop, truly a lashup.

EDITED Feb 10th 2022, 18:43

Hehe. I actually recently retired from 31 years in software management at Apple so frugality is not one of my hallmark characteristics. Being a slob and loving to build stuff from scratch my entire life is, which is why so much looks (and is) DIY.

good for you!!! but in that case - why b-company crap?

I've had macbooks/mbps for 15 years or so and always recommend them over anything else - I caught on to the IBM philosophy even earlier than they did - support is the real expense, especially if you can deprecate your hardware... I really like Logic Pro, but the office software is still unfortunately poor compared to Office... but I use it as it comes pre-installed and free

Muxlicer build video - much better idea... non-controversial - did you buy a kit or source your
own components?

For a company like Befaco I find that they provide high quality parts and I buy their full set. Some others (I won't mention names) use really poor quality parts, or parts that don't actually fit (very aggravating) so I buy the PCB and panel and dd my own parts from my bench stock or buy from Mouser, AmplifiedParts, Thonk, or others.

I try to buy pcb/panel sets because I have a fair amount of stock on hand ,so mostly I just need to buy the odd IC and restock passives - so unusual sized resistors is a PITA

the correct sized part is TME and not mouser! - TME is where befaco buy their components >from... found out after!

Yeah, Befaco is interesting. Has anyone ever found out why their circuit board traces have curves and curly bits vs. the relatively straight traces everyone else uses? I've asked them with no response....

I put it down to Iberian aesthetics...

can we rate you compared to SynthDIYGuy? extra points for swearing, self-deprecating humour, >burning yourself, desoldering accidents etc etc! he gets nil points for any of those - so you might >be on a winner!

Rate away. I have evolved over my life from "smartass kid" to "overbearing know-it-all" to my now current "grumpy old man" personas, and it's all fun.

hahah - too true - I'm rapidly becoming a grumpy old man - 52 next week!

Want to see extreme DIY? Here's a snapshot of my testing rack in my workshop, truly a lashup.

-- Ravenware

really like your testing rack - wish I could justify one - probably could if I really wanted to - I just usually check the continuity/grounding with a multimeter - and then hook it up to a spare fc power supply to check nothing blows up before sticking it in one of the racks to test properly - mostly works - but I have blown up a few wall warts in the process

EDITED Feb 10th 2022, 19:52

why b-company crap?
-- JimHowell1970

Only the racks, I swear, and that's cuz they're just sheet metal and Behr. can't mess that up!

• I'm rapidly becoming a grumpy old man - 52 next week!

Congrats, and enjoy it. Plenty of built-in cover comes from "Oh, he's just an old guy ranting"

EDITED Feb 10th 2022, 21:39

hahahaha

what's the power? I really like the befaco excalibus... most of my racks are powered by these - really really quiet - up to video rates (MHz, not just KHz) - no visible dirt in video synth output... which I do see from the Frequency Central psus I have...

I've already had plenty of "Oh, he's just an old guy ranting"!!!!

what's the power?
-- JimHowell1970

Ah! I used Frequency Central Routemasters everywhere,I've built 10 of 'em so far. Reliable and stable as heck, and very able to provide lots of power, particularly if you add larger heat sinks to the power transistors.

You'll get dust in that 1hp gap or worse something conductive, trust me. I would recommend getting or 3d printing a 1hp blank.
-- aramaki23

Or, more sensibly, drop in one of Konstant Labs' PWRchekrs so you can easily keep an eye on your DC rails' health. The most sensible 1 hp module ever!

Konstant Labs' PWRchekrs so you can easily keep an eye on your DC rails' health. The most sensible 1 hp module ever!
-- Lugia

IMy main issue isn't dust etc. unfortunately. I live on the California coast and salt air corrosion is a problem with electronic connections and tool corrosion, I use a lot of contact cleaner, so this might be perfect.

I just ordered 4 PWR Checkers to put in this new rack (1 HP is a perfect size) to give 'em a try.
Thanks,

IMy main issue isn't dust etc. unfortunately. I live on the California coast and salt air corrosion is a problem with electronic connections and tool corrosion, I use a lot of contact cleaner, so this might be perfect.

-- Ravenware

An idea taken from mil-spec electronics: cover the trace sides of the modules with some nonconductive substance, such as clear polyethylene hardwood floor coating or clear nail polish, to keep salt air corrosion off of them. Another idea, also...tape a pouch of silica gel inside the cab itself, and bake that out for, say, an hour at 150F after doing a gig in a damp venue. I know of a few techno guys who swear by that to keep humidity down inside their modular gear. Then all you'll need to DeOxit would be the controls and jacks, as the other measures deal with the basic humidity/salt issues.

All good ideas.

I enjoyed the video. I don’t have a mother 32 but I want one and I always wondered what it would take to put it into a eurorack rack. I appreciate you’re effort.
I am amazed at what this thread turned into. All the negativity, all the confusion, for what? I’m sorry to see that you had to write in defense of yourself.
The video and message you originally posted was simple. And in a complicated world like eurorack, for a beginner simplicity is well needed. Thank you for taking the time.

I enjoyed the video.
-- whatstrillmohf

Glad you found some value in it! I do try and post a Eurorack module build every 4 days (or so) so keep your eye out, I may be building a module you're interested in.

I am amazed at what this thread turned into

Nah, it's all good. That has always been the shape of the on-line world, and not a big deal. Often simply misunderstandings that get big. Easy to blow up, and just as easy to get back to smooth waters. I think the last time I got upset at an on-line argument/disagreement was in 1982

hahaha yeah - just grumpy old men being grumpy - hahaha