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Come on, that's far too small that rack consider at least 3 rows with this small 84 HP width. You, of all, should know, you are saving money for your third rack ;-)
Hi Ssflatte,
Take the above suggested rack by Sacguy71 but create it with 3 rows (instead of the displayed 1 row). Fill up one or maximum two rows and keep at least one row completely empty for future extensions. Don't buy all modules in one go, buy a few, build up some experience with it, adjust (where needed) your opinion and buy a few modules again. Slowly build it up :-)
Kind regards, Garfield.
For review reports of Eurorack modules, please refer to https://garfieldmodular.net/ for PDF formatted downloads
This looks way to small given three voices (Plaits, Rings, and Clouds) not nearly enough room for proper modulation.
I do like the cascading CV available in the Quad VCA you have that is not in Veils, that may or may not make a difference to you (Veils save you some HP as well).
Do you need an ADSR you have envelopes available in Maths and for this size case seems like wasted HP.
Do you need more passive attenuators you have 2 attenuverters in Maths, another option is 3xMIA gives you mixing capabilities, offsets, attenuverters?
You might want some sort of matrix mixer. I think there is a lot of value in the new u-he civilization module.
More importantly this case is too small, you will find yourself very limited very quickly. I would recommend the Mantis case the best bang for the buck with plenty of space to grow.
More experienced folks I am sure will give you more advice, but plan for a bigger case and fill slowly.
Not knowing the M32 I'm not sure what it has and what it lacks, so I will just make some minor suggestions for improving this rack.
I think something like the ALM O/A/x2 is a better use of 4hp than three passive attenuators. You only get two channels but attenuvert and offset is more useful than just attenuate. Alternatively you could get a 2hp dual attenuverter and a 2hp ADSR in that space, and replace the (large) Doepfer ADSR.
Considering you already have Maths in there, it seems quite wasteful to give up so much space to another envelope generator. There are a lot of smaller options if you really want an ADSR. Mutable Instruments Peaks (or one of its smaller clones) could do this job while also giving a lot of additional possibilities.
There are a lot of modulation destinations in here but not so many modulation sources. Is the M32 + Maths enough to drive all of this? You probably want a CV mixer of some kind too.
The Quad VCA seems like a solid choice, but personally I would go for the new Veils instead.
I'm still thinking of getting either the 2hp VCO or 2hp SINE as a first "debug" voice which should be fine, right out of the box and then look into the even VCO as a stable and interesting main voice.
What would you recommend to get fore a barebones kit: SINE or VCO?
Hi everyone! I just stepped in the Modular world and I need help with the build up of my first Rack! I already bought a Moog Mother 32 to start and since now I have been sending the audio through VCV Rack implementing the sonic possibilities.
Now I would like to buy some modules and I need some help.
I started with a osc to add a voice and I choose a digital VCO like Plaits to create differnt timbres from the classical sound of the Moog VCO. Then the Maths module that seems a no-escape module to buy (Im searching for criticisim about it). Then I added the Rings module that from my experience from VCV rack is an incredible instrument to create that physical model synthesis that I love. (For sure I need something that sound like that.)
I also added the Microcell Granular Processor, an upgrade (from what I read and listened) of the MI Clouds. Im searching for a granular processor but also some effects like his tape looping and reverb. (Need a module to create textures and ambient to experiment with).
Than I choosed the Quad VCA from Intellijel and an A140 ADSR from Doepfer plus a triple attenuator.
What do you think about this Mother 32 upgrade? How can I improve my choosing? Need some experienced advise!
The , and .move module functions are quite nice. And copy/paste even works between browser windows so you can plan 2 racks at the same time. But unfortunately there is an unsolve problem with the focus of the search input field that can cause mixed up racks and swear words.
I would still get rid of more, if you really want multiple voices start with this:
You will get:
1 Melodic Sequencer to drive Plaits (these two make a complete voice)
1 Pattern generator Euclidean Circles + BIA and Disting EX give you 3 voices for drums which you can mix and send to the Mimeophon for weird FX!
Maths for modulation or custom envelopes!
Pam's needs two channels for clock and reset which you will need a multiple to send to Metropolis and Euclidean circles, leaves 6 channels for modulation.
Maths and Pam can be attenuated, inverted, mixed, using the Quad VCA as desired.
I could make tracks on this system - I would get frustrated and want more utilities, but I really think you're better off starting with as little as possible and building up slow and what you find you need rather than trying to guess!
Just PNW, Maths, Quad VCA, Metropolis, Plaits (or?) and Mimeophon would go a LONG way!
Personally I would swap Plaits for a proper oscillator and go for a multi channel sequencer over Metropolis and Euclidean Circles, something like Westlicht Per|former, but if you like the style and the ratchet thing then it's a good option I guess, but whatever :)
Hey mate, your year long research and digital noodling led you to this - GREAT =)
A few thoughts:
FM synthesis and the Castle are an incredible combination. Only the modulation possibility of the four operators is already a mind blow.
Cool as well that you build your own case to start with - for me the case is one of the main investments but while it is required right at the start, it might require completely different things after a while and during your modular development. I for my part started with a 60hp Moog case to compliment my mother32, then moved to a Performance 104HP case, then to a second one then a Make Noise Skiff and finally to Doepfers Monsters. What I want to say is, it took me the hard way but in hindsight I wish I would not have aimed to perfectly fill the case while ever evolving. Great to see your approach here!
If you use the Es3 and linked Ableton CV Tools you have a gazillion source of modulation potential there and you could integrate via ES3 or even think about the ES9...
Mults...I see your point and based on your current idea and set up (quad VCA, LFO, Envelope) it might not be necessary...but then Batumi should stay =) one of my first modules and a stay from day one - so much potential and so many possibilities of usage.
While I am on the quad thing...Zadar...I find myself using it rather as a envelope for Filter modulation than VCA gating...for that I prefer more tweakable and classical AD (for sequencer based triggering) or ADSR (for keyboard based triggering). What I try to say, Zadar is amazing and deep and unique however (for me...) works best in combination with a classical AD/ADSR option...
On the filter side and considering space...maybe Endorphin.es Squawk Dirty...stereo with a VCA!! and a High Pass Filter on board! 8 digital filter emulations. Worth a look...
Regarding the Bloom...soo many alternatives and yet unique and linked to personal preference...have a look into Euclidian Rhythms, Melodicer, Tuesday, Ornament & Crimes or Turing Machines
Complimenting the CV Tools I just say, maybe look into Make Noise Function as a Maths alternative (half the space with both EOR and EOC outputs AND a freeze option!)
When you say does not feel right - what you mean? Maybe an integration of your guitar would do the trick? Like that you would be able to jam out together with the machine... For that you would need an interface given by e.g. Intellijel + 1U Pedal or 1U i/o and maybe think about effects (or you want to do all that in Ableton?
How about that option of disabling all keyboard shortcuts except the copy (Ctrl-C) and past (Ctrl-V) options as the only two?
-- GarfieldModular
I think the option should disable at least all destructive shortcuts. Paste and cut belong to it.
But I am in favour to just disable everything. It bugs me a bit that I never got it to work reliable.
First post on MG (but plenty of noodling on here for the past year of course!). So what I have to date is:
Mother 32 - for mono motherly duties, as she does. She's in the case right now, but ill be putting her back in her original enclosure soon enough
Ableton + Push 2
ES-3 + ES-6
Quadratt
Buff Mult 1U
Quad VCA
MATHS
Dixie II+
Rings (definitely getting bored of this quickly...)
Wogglebug 2014
Intellijel Scales
Optomix
Case is a custom 7U 84HP (Intellijel specced) I made with rails and some wood I found lying about.
My original though process with these first modules was to get building blocks in place, and see what I would want next accordingly, using Ableton's CV tools to tinker with any missing modulation sources.
Let me start with - I LOVE FM. In fact, I'd say most of my learning of synthesis was via FM8 and Ableton's Operator. I also play guitar, evil uke, keys, sing (a lot), write music + lyrics + gibberish, love harmonies (general info yes).
The modules im thinking of adding - as you can see in the rack - are:
1. Akemie's Caste - I looked at Quad Operator, but the dual 1V/oct + chord features + fuzzy Yamaha chip appealed to me far more than the open matrix colder QO. I am still open to considering the QO though - so do let me know your thoughts on that!
2. 2x Buff Mults, though I may ditch these and get some stackables/hubs instead to save space.
3. Steppy 1U - Now that it has per step probability + gates, this looks amazing!
4. Intellijel Zeroscope 1U - Just need a scope
5. Intellijel FSR 1U - Fun
6. Xaoc Zadar - Considering whether to get this or a more traditional dual/quad ADSR...
7. Xaoc Batumi - Again, is this critical here? Of course with an FM synth, I want the maddest possible Mod sources, but I do have the ES-3... On the flip side though, I WANT IT!!
8. Happy Nerding MMM VCF - Ideaaalllyyy I really wanted a stereo filter that was more CV controllable, so that I could create wavering scapes with the resonances teetering on oscillation (juuust barely). However... I ran out of space :P
9. Qu-bit Bloom - This thing looks awesome. Though I can already sense some potential limitations (3-scales?? Might end up using in chromatic mode always, and use my quantizer if needed). Thoughts?
10. Arturia Keystep 37 - Sometimes I just want precise melodies man
So what do you guys think? I'm still new to euro, so I could definitely use your tips to let me know where I'm falling short. To give you and idea of my music, I love drones, scapes, swung/jazzy grooves, weird sounds, melody, vocal motifs, dissonance, grunge, cartoony dramatics, and balancing subtlety and restraint with all out release. I also love sneaky/eerie music. If that makes any sense to you :D
This upgrade is gonna cost me a bunch as it is, though I'm open to building a 104hp 7U case in the future if required - though not right now!
Like others mention, buy a big case BUT only a few modules. Take time, learn each deeply. Maybe something like this:
1x BIA- I have one and love it!
support modules
filter
another VCO to complement the BIA for basslines, etc.
Here is an example:
I added the Noise Engineering modules for most of the essentials: clock, attenuator, mixer, LFO for modulation as well as a filter and synth voice to complement the BIA since Loquelic Iteritas Percido is pure awesome for many things.
-- sacguy71
Thank you! I will check this up, thinking of adding maybe a alm pamelas workout, will def check your recommendation
hi! I wanted to put together a small rack to use with my O-Coast and Drumbrute Impact. This is what I have in the rack so far and try to mess around with it every day for a bit to see how everything works together and what needs to be added/changed.
I have a reverb pedal I quite like (Ocean's 11), so I have a SND/RTN for that as well as using my NTS-1 as an effects unit from time to time. Everything gets mixed in an external Dude Mixer which goes out to either phones or my H4n recorder. I also use a SQ-1 from time to time to add movement, don't love it but don't hate it either. I like the forbidden planet, but don't love it.
The Drumbrute Impact is the master clock into the Tik Tok for the rest of the system.
I mostly make sound beds for video and some pieces of incidental music for various projects as well as a good cathartic jam now and again. I use a keystep as an controller with a Keystep 37 on pre-order. The O-Coast is pretty awesome for adding in modulation and other functions not in my rack. I also like taking the Drumbrute Impact's FM Drum signal out and run it thru the Viola Ruina as a low rent bass line.
I know I would like another 1u sized LFO and/or oscillator (like the Syinsi tiles) and a usb power tile for the NTS-1. A Sloth Chaos tile looks fun as well. It seems to me that the Clep Diaz's like to run in pairs?
Feels like I'm missing something on this rack and the more I read/watch the more I want...LOL!
Thanks for looking and thanks in advance for the suggestions.
Like others mention, buy a big case BUT only a few modules. Take time, learn each deeply. Maybe something like this:
1x BIA- I have one and love it!
support modules
filter
another VCO to complement the BIA for basslines, etc.
Here is an example:
I added the Noise Engineering modules for most of the essentials: clock, attenuator, mixer, LFO for modulation as well as a filter and synth voice to complement the BIA since Loquelic Iteritas Percido is pure awesome for many things.
I did some clean up of your rack and here is my recommendation:
1/Removed Mordax and added Pamela New Workout with Boss Bow Two for clock/switch.
2/Added Mimeophon instead of Rainmaker- I have this module on the way and will share a demo once I have it setup.
3/Removed Metropolis- too big and Euclidian Circles already has 6 channel trigger sequencer plenty for your setup. If you plan to sequence melodic stuff, perhaps add a smaller sequencer for CV like Mimetic Digitalis or Rene?
4/ Removed the mini voice module- you have plenty with 1-2 voices already and Expert Sleepers Disting EX can be a LFO, sample, sound source.
5/ added an attenuator module- very important
6/ added Kinks and Links for mult/logic/mixer: super useful and cheap as well. Love mine.
7/ added wogglebug as you may want random CV generator to create interesting patches. Can you another S&H module or noise generator if you wish. Only a suggestion as Wogglebug gets tons of love.
I would get rid of the mini synth voice and add some logic modules and mults/mixer like Kinks and Links. These let you do a lot with just one voice module. I also would get rid of Mordax Data while a great module it is massive and you can get a smaller clock module like Pamela New Workout and more support modules and modulation like 0chd. Mordax would be fine in a massive case but not here. Perhaps a matrix mixer and sequential switch as well by ditching another voice module? In my setup, I have 4 sound sources, 2 filters and the rest of support modules like clock, mixer, Hex VCA, switch, logic, mults and so forth for a 6U case. I find that 70-80% of the rack space is best used for support tools and 20-30% for the do cool voice modules/filters. I would get rid of Metropolis and get a smaller sequencer like Mimetic Digitalis or use external sequencer and use that space for useful support modules.
I agree, this is not a good system, some fantastic modules for sure, but you have waaaaaaay too many voices and hardly any utilities or modulation sources... you need at least another row of utilities to even begin using more than one of those voices sensibly.
An alternative approach would be to study some of the modular systems, see what they include, ask yourself 'why?' for everything - and if you can't give good solid answers, read and watch videos until you can.
Seriously, aim for ONE solid subtractive voice for your first modular
do it virtually in VCVRack or buy one of the patchable semi-modulars as suggested by Lugia!
You will have a much better experience I promise :)
Start small and build as you learn is a much better approach, you will still make mistakes and that is okay, but they will be less expensive and less frustrating in the long run.
I would recommend that you still buy the big case and some blank panels, even cardboard will do in a pinch!
Then sort out ONE subtractive synth voice comprising: An oscillator, envelope, VCA, LFO, a filter and something to sequence it!
If you choose a complex oscillator you will also be able to create patches for FM synthesis.
You will be able to create every kind of sound on your list with just these few tools if you learn how to create these sounds from scratch.
You may be amazed at what is possible with just a few modules.
once you understand this, then add FX - I don't think it is a good idea when learning to drop reverb on everything, I would hold back and really listen to what is going on first. Okay okay... buy the reverb and have some fun, but don't skip these beginner lessons!
Once you feel like you have a good handle on this subtractive voice, you will realise what you need add to it to get where you want to be, so for example, you might want richer bass sounds, so you could add a wave folder, or you might realise that you want a source of random or different colours of noise and some FX.
Then finally start looking at specialist dedicated modules for specific tasks, e.g. dedicated drum modules and texture synthesisers.
Of course it's entirely up to you, but I never see people rushing out and buying a lot of exotic modules having too good a time in the long run, they always end up back at these first steps somewhere along their journey.
thanks so much for your time to reply l> Much better approach. Now, some questions...
1) What do you see yourself doing with this build? What sort of music, what functionality, etc?
2) What do you see yourself doing with this build in five years?
3) What limiting parameters need to be in place, ie: money, space, portability/studio-only?
4) What background in electronic music do you have already? What gear are you comfortable with and/or found intriguing while getting that background?
5) What sort of learning curve do you envision here?
I'm not so much into making money off of this, mind you. For me, it's important to help people from making drastic mistakes...and there's PLENTY of drastic mistakes that can happen in modular. I just hate it when someone piles a bunch of expensive stuff into a case and then discovers that they paid thousands for an underpowered system...or worse, one that's inherently crippled to the point of uselessness. While this certainly leads to lots of eBay/Reverb/MG used gear cheapness, it's not the way I (and lots of others) would rather see those bargains emerge.
-- Lugia
thanks so much for your time to reply lugia, I have pmd you, as I never get notifications for threads of some reason
thank you again
1) What do you see yourself doing with this build? What sort of music, what functionality, etc?
2) What do you see yourself doing with this build in five years?
3) What limiting parameters need to be in place, ie: money, space, portability/studio-only?
4) What background in electronic music do you have already? What gear are you comfortable with and/or found intriguing while getting that background?
5) What sort of learning curve do you envision here?
I'm not so much into making money off of this, mind you. For me, it's important to help people from making drastic mistakes...and there's PLENTY of drastic mistakes that can happen in modular. I just hate it when someone piles a bunch of expensive stuff into a case and then discovers that they paid thousands for an underpowered system...or worse, one that's inherently crippled to the point of uselessness. While this certainly leads to lots of eBay/Reverb/MG used gear cheapness, it's not the way I (and lots of others) would rather see those bargains emerge.
I'll second @Lugia, start small and really research the modules that work for what you're trying to do. Once you've got that smaller system in place, see if you then have the necessary knowledge and continued desire to expand that system. Eurorack is the wrong habit to pick up if you're going to let someone else design your system.
hey all ive spent the last month or so doing my research and I was just wondering if there would be a nice mate on here to help with along with building my first dream rack, would even be happy to pay you for your time :)
thanks a lot
How about that option of disabling all keyboard shortcuts except the copy (Ctrl-C) and past (Ctrl-V) options as the only two? Perhaps the Ctrl-X shortcut as well?
I know this is a "dangerous" request on top of this main request, because that might lead to more exceptions but that (more exceptions) should or shall be avoided of course.
Thank you very much and kind regards, Garfield.
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Well, I sure as hell don't see that balance. Frankly, this is a mess. First of all, you're overrunning the rack limits...which would tend to indicate that you should've started with a MUCH larger cab from the beginning. Plus, this is very poorly implemented; ONE envelope generator? Two buffered mults...for WHAT? And these HUGE modules...dude, this isn't a build size that can support having so many big panels. Shrink this stuff down.
Have you considered any of the following:
1) Do you know your own music well enough to specify what should go into a device to make it more optimally-suited for that music?
2) Do you know how the sounds in the music you're trying to emulate were generated in the first place?
3) Do you understand synthesis well enough to put the basic components together to do any of the first two?
Until those questions have definite, concrete answers...you're far more likely to build a boxful of expensive 'n' useless, NOT a synthesizer.
Two suggestions:
1) Get a patchable FIRST. Not only can such synths work as the core device in a modular system (sort of like what you're aiming at with the A-111-5), they also clearly show what's required for a system of your own design. And you'll discover what you can do with less superfluous junk as is here. Even a couple of simple-seeming tandemmed devices, such as a Make Noise 0-Coast/0-Ctrl pairing, would be much better for a starter than what's above.
2) VCV Rack. LEARN the basics before pulling out the Magic Plastic. VCV Rack is free, and has ample modules...some of which are even really accurate emulations of existing Eurorack hardware. Get used to using it and building up systems in it. Hang onto this rack design, then play with VCV for a few months. Then, come back to this design and re-evaluate it. I guarantee you'll be hitting "Delete Rack" fast enough to break the sound barrier! https://vcvrack.com/
I wouldn't build that. Not for a minute. First of all, I really have a major hate for panels that look like eyestrain waiting to happen. And the first time you take that rig out and gig live with it, in typical live gig lighting, you'll hate them too. Second of all, although it's a theoretically "complete" build from MG, that still doesn't make it a correctly-implemented build. Whoever cooked this up did a decent job on sources, decent enough on modulation, and just sort of screwed off where it comes to the utilities and other support modules. As a result, what you have here is a box of noisemakers, but scant else to turn those into a proper synthesizer.
One other point: what you want to do with this one box is probably beyond the scope of this one box. This is why quite a few of us who've been around this for a while keep saying "work the build out on MG FIRST...THEN start playing with the money!" So...you sold your gear off (save for the Pulsar) before sorting out how to proceed. Of all of the mistakes thus far, THAT is the biggest one. Before, you probably had everything you actually needed, but fell into the "familiarity breeds contempt" trap. It's not possible to stay viable in music...especially not these days...and make impulsive decisions. This one quote here actually describes the situation you feel you're in, and it speaks volumes: "I just copied a modulargrid from a googlesearch, as I said I want more of a complete system that someone else will choose for me because otherwise I will just read about all modules that exist and never buy anything."
Soooooo...you're perfectly content with other people coming up with your music for you, defining your work parameters, and such? That doesn't sound like a sensible plan, and bluntly, I wouldn't want to hear what you're doing if this is the case. Learn to do YOUR music, sort out YOUR hardware issues, and so on. Otherwise, you're wasting your time.
Sorry guys, I know some of you PMed me about this situation and thread, but I've had a family emergency for the past few days, so any response was the last thing on my mind.
It looks like the original situation has been resolved, but since posts have been edited, it's hard to see what happened. As a mod I can't see what was removed...
In the future though, @kaskonauta, make sure your purchases are exactly what you expect as soon as you get them, as it will make your case questionable if you say it was fine and then raise an issue weeks later.
And please, all around, treat each other with kindness, respect and honesty so that Modulargrid doesn't turn into some of the more "caustic" synth forums.
Hello modular gridders,
in the last weeks I have built lots and lots of different iterations of a small footprint modular that will not break my bank and does the following things on day 1:
befaco MIDI THING, 2hp CV, befaco A*B+C, befaco MIXER, befaco OUT v3 in a 98hp Jumpskiff:
+ It does not have loose cables flying around (that's why I'm planning with the Jumpskiff instead of a even cheaper tiptop audio)
+ It can act as a midi playable synth voice, preferably rough and bassy.
+ It can feed in more than one gate and CV from the midi device. To modulate the voice from ORCΛ for example
When everything goes well, I'm going to also solder the more interesting part with a Rampage + Muxlicer and something like 2hp hats to spice it up: 2hp hats, befaco RAMPAGE, befaco Muxlicer
+ Get another voice or LFO from Rampage, and generate an envelope for the Bass voice mentioned above
+ Have Muxlicer self trigger some fun multistep sequences in combination with the 2hp hats
+ Let Muxlicer be controlled from midi with clock to sync with the rest of my setup
+ Get funky with Rampage EOC and Muxlicer
The setup after these two steps would look something like this and would leave room for things I've missed/might want later. I have also planned to get some of the befaco passive mults and a bunch of 20cm + 30cm cables 20 in total.
Yeah, and I might need more Attenuverters and VCAs. (s&h, and lfo or rather the great looking befaco kickall)
Now my question to you all. I've tried to setup a similar system with VCV rack and felt pretty confident that this will workout in real live too. Am I somewhat on track or have I just made a huge mess?
yours
(edit: removed the gigantic images, not necessary for my point)
@Lugia -- interesting point, very oblique. In a previous incarnation I did all my music in the computer, which meant lots of editing and rearranging to try to keep the piece in motion. What's obvious to me, but maybe not to others, is that in this piece there are a lot of static parts, a lot of thinking-while-recording, which if I was working on a multitrack recording I would edit down. The modular is an escape from all that clicking, but I'm not yet proficient enough on the instrument to achieve the musical results I want. Whether I adopt your idea or not, I am sure that "keep practicing" is part of the answer :)
@Kel_
You have no arguments and use feedback to create terrorism.
You haven't received negative feedback from me, despite your allegations.
This is a fact, the rest are just bla bla bla
I leave the forum, I have more important things to do than to talk about nothing.
Ad maiora!
An alternative approach is to start small and organically build out based on what you feel would add most to your sound and workflow.
After playing with, say 3 core modules you'll get an idea of what is needed to get to the next level - and that will also encourage you to push your modules to their limit.
Having a big budget to work with is a real gift, but spending it gradually will give you a very personal journey.
EDIT: I'm certainly not an expert in Eurorack or NE modules, but to me it seems there's a bit of duplication in this system and possibly some simple things missing that are kind of core to modular - eg lfos, vcas, envelopes.
It looks like some of the modules in this system might build that into the module, and overall it seems geared towards triggering percussive sounds which is cool. But you might also find that a bit boring? I say that as a techno-leaning person myself :)
I'd still say start small. Choose a single sound source (eg BIA), one trigger source, a modulation source or two (Clep Diaz seems like a well regarded Noise Engineering module), and a CV mixer and see how you get on. You may not be making very layered tracks to start with but that's ok.
Also a very useful module to consider is a low pass gate (kind of a filter and VCA in one) that can instantly turn any sound into a nice organic percussive sound. I'm not sure what NE make in this area.
I cannot thank you enough!!! What great feedback and advice I'm getting here!!!
Yes, it's a good one :D
What if I based my system on the SS but exchanged only small pieces, like the DPO for the CS-l and the Morphagene for the Arbhar? Does that make sense?
Sounds great to me!
t0b1 mentioned the Krell patch - this is a GREAT place to start from for what you have in mind. I recommend that you study it very well and only buy the modules you need to recreate it.
This will get you to close to where you want to be for the least expense and let you play around with the system to get a feel for it.
Once you have got your head around that you will have a much better idea of which modules to buy to extend this patch.
I strongly advise against going out and spending £4K on modules, it's a much better plan to have some blank plates and go slowly.
If you like the Make Noise formfactor and want to combine with 1U modules, have a look into the Intellijel Performance Case 7U. If you combine with their 1U modules you would have an incredible package as alternative to the MN one (which is awesome in its own way).
What you are looking for is "generative music". Go have a search on that term in your video library of choice...
My personal and straight to the point approach here is Intellijel Plog combined with trigger sources, random CV and/or slowly evolving lfos. In order to make that "interesting" you might want to look into VCAs combined with sequential switches (e.g. the A-151 from Doepfer).
Have a look as well into the Krell Patch construction, "hidden" in the 0-coast manual from Make Noise.
Lastly you need a bad-ass reverb to make it shine or shimmer or walhalla or whatever verbing =)
I cannot thank you enough!!! What great feedback and advice I'm getting here!!!
Maybe I have to get a bit more concrete on the purpose of this project!... :D
I don't plan on using my Double Bass at all with this case (if that changes in the future, we'll see and then I'll check those nice EF suggestions Kel_!! ;)). One of the things I want to get away from is precisely the constant engagement, attention and activity that my work in the orchestra and practice require!!
I want to build a System where the patch sort of unfolds and let's me slowly tweak and react to what itself wants to be... I hope that makes sense! A sort of lazy music/sound/noise making machine... Mainly atmospherical, ambient, drone...
I always think about the Shared System precisely because of what t0b1 said. It seems like the "perfect" enclosed ecosystem. I see now that that's where Instruo's modules kinda "fall short", since they are not made thinking about that kind of small system, but as pieces of a much bigger (with more MOD sources, etc.) rig.
What if I based my system on the SS but exchanged only small pieces, like the DPO for the CS-l and the Morphagene for the Arbhar? Does that make sense?
And instead of René and Pressure points, I think I would go for another kind of sequencer, like Erica Synths Black Seq coming out soon. Seems like a well thought out multi sided solution to lot's of sequencing and modulation sources.
Also, I thought about waiting for the Euroburo (I have a Zoia Pedal that I use in my electric bass pedalboard) since it seems like one it could really solve lot's of problems, specially in context of a small System like the one I'm planning.
The 1U row on MN Case seems really practical as a in/out, multiple, etc. solution in one single "Module". So that's what inspired my initial post, case I don't want to get MN case, but DIY one, maybe with even more functionality, if possible. But still in that 3Ux3Ux1U format.
I'm very glad I posted this question, so many things are coming out to take into consideration!!! What a great community!! :)
I cannot thank you enough!!! What great feedback and advice I'm getting here!!!
Maybe I have to get a bit more concrete on the purpose of this project!... :D
I don't plan on using my Double Bass at all with this case (if that changes in the future, we'll see and then I'll check those nice EF suggestions Kel_!! ;)). One of the things I want to get away from is precisely the constant engagement, attention and activity that my work in the orchestra and practice require!!
I want to build a System where the patch sort of unfolds and let's me slowly tweak and react to what itself wants to be... I hope that makes sense! A sort of lazy music/sound/noise making machine... Mainly atmospherical, ambient, drone...
I always think about the Shared System precisely because of what t0b1 said. It seems like the "perfect" enclosed ecosystem. I see now that that's where Instruo's modules kinda "fall short", since they are not made thinking about that kind of small system, but as pieces of a much bigger (with more MOD sources, etc.) rig.
What if I based my system on the SS but exchanged only small pieces, like the DPO for the CS-l and the Morphagene for the Arbhar? Does that make sense?
And instead of René and Pressure points, I think I would go for another kind of sequencer, like Erica Synths Black Seq coming out soon. Seems like a well thought out multi sided solution to lot's of sequencing and modulation sources.
Also, I thought about waiting for the Euroburo (I have a Zoia Pedal that I use in my electric bass pedalboard) since it seems like one it could really solve lot's of problems, specially in context of a small System like the one I'm planning.
The 1U row on MN Case seems really practical as a in/out, multiple, etc. solution in one single "Module". So that's what inspired my initial post, case I don't want to get MN case, but DIY one, maybe with even more functionality, if possible. But still in that 3Ux3Ux1U format.
I'm very glad I posted this question, so many things are coming out to take into consideration!!! What a great community!! :)
@Kel_
I still don't understand what your problem is.
I have purchased a device described as working perfectly, but it had flaws.
I deleted previous post because the seller refunded me.
I didn't want to show his name.
I have also removed the negative feedback left to the seller and he did the same thing.
Then I created new posts because they might be useful to other users.
Did you know the Make Noise pots models?
Now you know!
You wrote offensive things towards me, and leave negative feedback with no reason.
Kel_ : "You now have 3 downvotes... Looks like your trading days here are over! Byeeeeeeeeeeee :)"
That's all.
PS: I have not left negative feedback to Kel_, kalu_bandali and digitalcrickets
Hey Mate,
you clearly have a preference for Noise Engineering - fantastic gritty sound and amazing modular concept behind their design! Congrats on that clarity of yours.
If the above is correct, why you prefer ErbeVerb over the Desmodus Versio?
Why double BIA?
Why double MD?
Why double MSCL?
Looking at all your voices, you might need sub mixers.
Lastly I love your choice on Numeric AND Zularic Repetitor - they together with the BIA are a blow away.
-- t0b1
Hi,
I just copied a modulargrid from a googlesearch, as I said I want more of a complete system that someone else will choose for me because otherwise I will just read about all modules that exist and never buy anything.
Do you have some submixer that you recommend? I can free space and choose 1 bia, 1 md, 1 mscl
Hey Mate,
you clearly have a preference for Noise Engineering - fantastic gritty sound and amazing modular concept behind their design! Congrats on that clarity of yours.
If the above is correct, why you prefer ErbeVerb over the Desmodus Versio?
Why double BIA?
Why double MD?
Why double MSCL?
Looking at all your voices, you might need sub mixers.
Lastly I love your choice on Numeric AND Zularic Repetitor - they together with the BIA are a blow away.
