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also, im not really sure i understand how a clock divider works, and i feel like i included enough random cv modules to sculpt some interesting stuff. please give my concept a little extra consideration for its concept. peace.

you are mistaken. the tukra is a fully featured drum machine, on top of the extra sequencing gates, and i just really want a crazy bass tone with possibly 4 octaves of demon cores all being modulated by 2 8 pase lfos, or something even more complicated. what i am going for is 'lots of options, big sound' so i can keep repatching and repatching and have almost a completely different instrument each time, so i can make 60+ hours of content and never get bored, etc. i will look into the album you mentioned, i just wish you would take some more time to try to apreciate the high concept. i was trying to make it 'too much', i just want to know if you think it is 'way too much', etc. peace out.

If anything, I think your setup would be bigger if you had all these modules, because the real juice comes from modulating and manipulating voices and sounds with control voltage and routing the signals creatively more than methodically layering and combining lots of voices (which is kind of better left to non-Eurorack hardware). Think of a jazz trio - a bass, saxophone, and drums. Despite only two mostly monophonic melodic voices (with some opportunities to do chords or whatever) and and a few drum sounds, the possibilities are immense because of how much they can manipulate timbre with their playing. Albert Ayler's Spiritual Unity is a pretty good way of demonstrating what I mean - that music is massive despite being basic instruments available in reasonably well-stocked high schools. That level of flexibility per voice is what makes modular special relative to other formats despite essentially making the same sounds as any other interface with the same circuits inside of it, but it comes from modulation and utilities. LFOs, envelopes, VCAs, mults, CV mixers, clock dividers, sample and hold, switches, etc. - the boring stuff that was pretty much already figured out by the 1970s.

For example, the small system you made has two sound sources (three if I'm being picky, but I won't count the Tukra). One does include its own support modules, but that will just get you to the point of making regular synth sounds. When you consider that the Tukra only sequences gates and you still have to get notes into the thing, you'd probably do well to stick to a general "one sound source per row" rule and go from there. Theoretically, if you said "I want to get a setup with at least two synth sources and some unique sequencing/drum options", I would recommend a Syntakt or Analog Rytm before this modular setup, and you'd make the same sounds better and more conveniently.

Instead, my advice for your first modular setup is to go the other way and just think "what is the most badass single voice I can come up with?", and maybe add that onto the Tukra for a cool start. You can even use the Pam's to quantize modulation from weird modules and create generative melodies, so maybe keep Pam's if you're going to start with a pure gate sequencer like this - it will help cover for it and integrate it into a less rigid framework well. After you have a full, tricked out single voice figured out, the setup ideas will just be flowing and it will be easier to make it more expansive and nebulous.

Also, if you need 104 HP for your first rack, go for it. I just kinda said 84, but a Mantis case could be wise if you know you want to do this stuff.

im thinking: program the bass line 1h at a time on the nerdseq (plus whatever live options it has available, if any) then draw in a base drumline, then either use a keystep pro or any of the sequencing and arpeggiation options available to build the main melody, then add extra drums and melody on the tukra and rene, clocking everything to the tukra, then fill in a ton of extra cv mod texture, then build an effects chain, then have 5 pre loaded samples to trigger stretch or reverse at any time, then some 'extra magic', then record. now that you know the whole concept do you think it makes more sense now? peace.

i was mostly just thinking about live streaming and 1 take dawless play. i dont have any intention of treking anything anywhere. id say the cases are "main case" which has a full synth unit, a full drum computer, chop sampling if i want it, nifty touch points, and pams + op ned for ease. "bass case" which lets me program a 8 oscillator 4 demon core complex bass tone on a nerdseq, or other patchs, plus some nice effects modules, too. "performance case" that has the tukra and a rene, and a plethora of cv, and some more voices. and lastly the "sampling case" that, i believe, should let me have total control over 5 samples, plus any mixing i missed on any other case, plus some more trigger and live patching options, plus a bluebox to make recording extra convenient. i have a whole concept that there are 9 albums there in that 1600hp, and i imagine i could even travel with it if i absolutely had to, but i see it as purely a studio rig. i hope that clears up what my vision is. are you purely convinced this is too much? everything is out of my budget now. i just like to design things for fun. dont you think, if i work out all the bugs, that a system like this could make one even more creative? do you have any specific complaints or do you just think its just too much? peace out.

As a live setup, this is just too much. There is a pageantry to a big setup when you're onstage, but one 12U case (or, frankly, 6U case) is already quite a bit of stuff when you only have two hands. This is enough to keep 4 different people stressing out to keep track of everything.

As a studio hub for experimenting or just general production work, things obviously change a bit. However, the big systems that people like Red Means Recording use to make professional sounding and well-thought out music like you could get from a DAW (or at least be able to keep and use the results as if it werw that kind of music) are built piece by piece. If you're on a budget, not being too tied to a specific plan where every piece is interdependent is best - go where the deals are.

Let me ask you this: roughly speaking, if you had to describe each of these cases succinctly as "the (blank) case", what would each one be? For example, "the Buchla case", or "the sampling case", or "the techno case" (though, if this describes all four, maybe don't pick that).

edit: Sorry - I posted this without seeing your new post.

EDITED May 11th, 00:19

sigh, maybe you are right zachsname.

i designed this one just for you, like you said:

peace, etc.

i kind of think it is, mostly, a bit, in my head. i understand i would need way too many way too long cables and its totally possible i dont actually need a number of those, or the synergy isnt quite right, but i truly am working on a whole 4 x 4 3u h 100hp concept where each case can mostly work on its own, but together, can make live music like nothing else. i dont mind criticism about the racks, and specifically what wont work, etc. but i would really prefer if you would just try and buy into the big concept, first. plus, there are plenty of bigger systems out there, etc. id just like to hear, given that i can find the right cables, and given that i can wrap my brain around the individual modules, that the high concept design works. thanks for the comment anyway, tho. ☮

This is a fun way to brainstorm, but a system this size will never work exactly as you plan it, so judging it overall at this stage isn't going to do much. This will be a lot easier if you plan in chunks and adjust as you go along (as I assume you already know you'll be doing). Start with one bit at a time.

What are your favorite options here in terms of modules? If you could only start with 84hp, what would you pick?

If this is a bit and I'm missing it, I apologize.

https://modulargrid.net/e/racks/command_center/237880

i have never played with eurorack before in my life. i decided to build a massive 4 case rig on here, just for fun, as the whole thing is way out of my budget. i only half know what most of the modules there do, but i wanted the biggest canvas to create really unique textures and performance. i tried for true greatness.

so, the question is: do you like this setup? do you think it makes any kind of sense all together? and, did i go way too overboard? any comments completely 100 welcome.

thanks for the feedback.

peace out. ... ... ... ... ... ... .

I have two of these and really like them a lot. One of them I mostly use for playing with the v/o signal for a synced vco ... lots of interesting timbres there. However, the sweetspots are quite "narrow", and something like +/- 1V offset rather than +/- 5V would probably work better for my purpose. I assume it's simply a matter of replacing one or two resisters. But which? And to which values? Hints on this are much appreciated. Best wishes.

still not sure if bloom is the good choice there. there are other options to use others to save hps and include something else

Enjoy

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Super impressive in every way!

Love from Sweden.

Lovely sounds!

What was ur reasoning behind the CIVILISATION + erica synths black cv tool?
Do you need that many note quantizers?
A bit weird choice if u ask me.
Nice pic btw. Happy noodling.
-- Chrissozz

Actually, getting rid of all the Erica Synths :)

EDITED May 9th, 00:26

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A postcard from the west coast of Sweden

Love!

What was ur reasoning behind the CIVILISATION + erica synths black cv tool?
Do you need that many note quantizers?
A bit weird choice if u ask me.
Nice pic btw. Happy noodling.

EDITED May 8th, 11:41

Ok Cool, I'll check that out. I have to say I did another patch session last night with this rack and it's really really versatile. I put a synth into the Endless Processor to build some unusual pads and then fed it into one channel of Beads, the fed the other channel of Beads through Echoz and WASP, all modulated by the Doepfer. I was there for a good hour in blissed out reverb washes, and that's what it's all about isn't it?

(...) And a combo of Veno and Mimeophon is even better.
-- wishbonebrewery

Personally, I’m trying to move a little away from the delay / reverb pairing, although I am very seduced by this type of sound! I have hesitated for a moment to acquire the Nautilus, but when I heard the power of this Veno-Echo, I gave up... I think that the Veno-Echo and Mimeophon combination must indeed be a kind of Saturn V or... USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D to conquer new (wet) worlds and parallel universes :))
But I must forget at least for now, I promised myself.
Thank you again for this publication, it’s always sincerely a pleasure.

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If you're going for a single note .. use one an octave (or two) above middle C. I find they translate down beautifully, and while probably less of an issue on modern equipment... they take up less time/disk-space (shorter waves).

EDITED May 8th, 04:40

just an idea... what about a Qu-Bit Data Bender? its becoming cliche, but I love the way Ive seen some YTubers utilize it.

that leaves 6 hp... an ochd and 2 hp mult to fill the rest

EDITED May 8th, 04:32

just thought Id add a picture 😉

I'd go as far to say the Veno Echo is amazing. It absolutly loves modulation.
And a combo of Veno and Mimeophon is even better.

A great use of this powerful delay module. The illustrations go very well with this piece: nice and surreal :)

Its quite a lot of fun.

2hp Bell for sound.
Befaco Burst for triggers and probability.
2hp ARP for Arpeggios.
Divkid / Instruo Ochd+ Expander for modulation.
Veno-Echo for delays and messing.
Monsoon Clouds for a bit of Reverb.

I should clarify 'noise'. I don't mean pink / white etc. I mean off specific pitch and sequences. For me this generally happens by overloading modulation to the point of breakup.

I use the Echoz and the A-143-4 because I already own them, like them and don't have unlimited budget to spend. Morphagene looks good but I'd really want to try one out for a time before committing to £500

Cosmix has always been really handy as being able to mix sources and mute immediately is very useful in love performacces. It also has the drive feature which significantly warms up and boosts the output sound

I'll check out Nautilus and mimephon :-)

Oh yeah!

screams nicely :D

100 gritty sound

Check "Befaco Noise Plethora" for noise

combined with a "Befaco Percall" you can do nice rhyhtmic noise patterns

EDITED May 7th, 15:25

depends on how you use it.
I have both next to each other and think they compliment well as a combo for granular clouds and glitches.
But its a matter of taste.
Beads can do much stuff other modules can do, but I think mostly you can not apply all these functions at once.
I use Morphagene to sample and mangle my modular sounds live, which adds some tape glich and beatslicing - and send it into Beads to add more texture and ambient clouds.
I like Morphagene because it´s very hands on.

Where is the noise in your fx / noise rack?
Maybe add a nice noise source?

-Intelijell Sealegs could be intersting for you.
Delay / reverb with saturation and noise

or
-Qu-bit Nautilus
-Make Noise Mimeophon

Maybe drop that Echoez?
Maybe a smaller and more vesetaile LFO like Batumi or Ochd+Expander?

Do you need the Cosmix?

Sorry if it's already been requested but I really would like to see:

1. "Pin" button on modules to lock an individual module to its place in the row. Like "Rack Lock" but on a per-module basis. There are some modules that I never want to see bumped or swapped until I'm ready. Probably would need some logic programmed for how it would interact with functions like the "push left/right" and row swap.

2. Link adjacent modules. Like pinning, above, only to another module. Use case: Link a module and its expander(s) and move them as a group. Link a series of modules always used in a chain, and move them around like a block. "Pin" a selection of "linked" modules to their spot on the row, and they will be impervious to accidental swaps and shuffles.

I'd be interested too as I have a couple ready to go

This is just a fun jam I did a few weeks ago. Love both of these combos:

Is that not a little too close to Beads?

Make Noise Morphagene

Just a spontanous thought :D

Hi

This is my current ambient / noise rack

The A-143-4 does alot of the modulation with Beads doing both granular and VCO. Endless Processor for external instruments / tape-lopps etc. It's simple but very effective and versatile

What should I fit into the 20HP?

I composed this ambient piece for a friend who had to be hospitalised. Instead of sending him a postcard Estroe and I decided to each create a piece of music for him. In my case this is the result. It’s called From the ground up. I asked my friend if I could share this piece with you and he immediately said: “Yes music and art needs to be shared. So please enjoy this ambient piece. May it soothe and comfort you

is there a section to advertise eurorack cases / racks for sale?

Really like the Dual Dagger - easy to get great sounds. Independent low and hi pass filters and CV panning. Great stuff.

I do use the 100 Grit as a filter (and it's awesome), but mostly I use the C4RBN and the Dual Dagger as filters and use the 100 Grit as distortion. The 100 Grit also doubles a great voice too - very flexible.

The Vult Freak looks amazing! Haven't looked at Ghost. Good luck with your decision :-)

A quick update:

6 weeks after, I still received no module from @sugarfreedaddy

he replies to messenger messages.
he said that he will refund me "asap" but that he currently does not have the money. I don't believe him whatever he says :D

He said that he is not home and can't ship (but he keeps on posting new ads here and on ebay for you people to buy :D )

For several reasons:

6 weeks no module received
he refuses to communicate his name or adress
he ships modules from Poland but his ads claim that he is in Germany
when he ships, he does not communicate his own name and no phone on the parcel... he ships without name...

For all those reasons I believe that he is a real scam and as such, I really want to state it clearly, hoping to help modulargrid people: this guy is here to scam.

No drama please.

Happy patching everyone :D

This person is indeed selling on several platform and scamming people.

He is selling and refuses to provide name or adress, even to buyers.
He ships parcels with no name, no phone.
He ships from Poland but advertises being in Germany.

In my case, I paid with Paypal to family, he kept the money and never sent the module, this was more than 6 weeks ago.
This has been reported in the bad trader thread too.

Hi there,

Got a chance to put my hands on the ne Neo Trinity of Bastl Instrument, a rich modulation source x 6 with plenty of options.

Tryin' to make my video visible on the youtube section but it fails, so I thought I could publish here. It's all in French with subtitles.

EDITED May 6th, 05:23

Awesome.
This is excactly what I have been looking for.

Im very happy about this :D
Thank you so much

Wow didn't see that Thought u only had the 100 grit in there
What is you thoughts on the dual dagger?
I am eyeing it as well but i'd really want a vult freak.
Sadly not readily available so ...
The endorphin ghost looks like a very nice filter as well. Hard decisions m8

For my part I am already equipped, but I must admit that it is a good concept.

Morning jam...