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3. Musical goals are really just learning more. I have some Elektron boxes, an Arturia Minifreak, Moog subharmonicon, and the Moog grandmother. Modular has inspired me through the unique interactions with the instrument and with the modules themselves. I love surprising myself, realizing new sounds or patterns I can get with interesting patching I hadn't thought of before, and learning more about deeper functions.
4. Yes on those suggestions! I had been thinking about a matrix mixer because I know hardly anything about them, but it seems like another one of those "possibilities are endless" tools. I will check out the T-43. I had been trying to stay away from O&C just because I want to do less menu-diving....although I know it's an amazing jack of all trades.

-- greg0hh

Interesting note about reducing redundancy. Totally makes sense when hp is precious, however, don't be so quick to remove some of it, redundancy can be really useful as a patch grows (as they always do) from few cables to a full on spaghetti monster. Some people prefer single-function-per-module, but I like the depth of a module that can be used/misused in multiple ways. It's one of the reasons I'm such a superfan of Joranalogue, for example. No unitaskers there (shoutout to vintage Alton Brown), and such deep functionality.

Speaking of which, have you checked out the Compare 2 Practical User's guide yet? It's linked on the Joranalogue website. Really well illustrated and comprehensive patching guide to deeper functions on the Compare 2. Similarly, the now classic Maths Illustrated Supplement, available online, will provide path demonstrations for a bunch of functionality.

Other possible utilities that I've used to support interesting interactive patching are routers like Joranalogue's Switch 4, Doepfer's A-182-1 switched multiple, and Instruo's tain cv controlled switch. Also, I just love sample and hold circuits (After Later's SHTH is great and only 2 hp), so useful.

Totally understand the menu-diving hesitancy; it's not a dynamic way to interact with the system. Though to be fair, the o_c only has two levels to it's menu. It's super-useful in a pinch for smaller racks and gives good exposure to a host of potential uiltiies so you can try them before you buy a module. As the rack grows it gets somewhat less helpful, however, and for me at this point it's a dedicated quantizer and shift register. I barely touch the menu anymore. However, if you're not into menus, it's definitely skippable; your rack looks like it would be fun to play just fine regardless.

Hope this is useful and have fun!

1. How are you triggering/sequencing the Rample and Cursus? Do you have an outboard sequencer?
2. You have a triple VCA, but no envelopes or other modulation to drive it. With only one oscillator that requires a VCA and a dual LPG it seems useless.
3. Doepfer stuff is great but 20 HP for a performance mixer in such a small case is probably overkill.

Brighton UK :-)

Where are you located?

Not a bad start. A few things jump out:
* VCAs - it seems to be a universal truth that you always need at least one more VCA than you currently have available. You'll need more, particularly if you want to start adding motion to your signals at mutiple parts of the signal path. Additionally, your fx modules and final mixer are stereo, how cool if you had enpugh VCAs for stereo signal management?
* LFOs - batumi is a wonder in a small package, and I hear that version 2 is even better. Zadar though can also do some pretty complex waveforms, but I think I would want to go with a dedicated LFO personally. In addition to batumi, consider the ochd and it's expander from Divkid/Instruo. Small footprint, but quite organic feeling motion and the expander packs some cool funtions.
* Attenuators - You'll want to tame the lfos and any other cv, particularly if you enjoy random voltages. VCAs can also work for this, if you had them to spare.

Other things to consider if you find you have the space:
* Matrix mixer (Doepfer a-138m is what I'm familiar with but there are several out there) - great for blending signals (both uni- and bipolar) and super useful for feedback. The only downside is the hp, but there are other matrix mixers out there with smaller footprints.
* Sample and hold - I just love these circuits and find them so useful. That's all.
* Comparator - Same. Specifically the Joranalogue Compare 2.
* Crossfader - WMD axys (stereo) or even the Joranalogue Morph 4 (mono). Might be useful for drones.

Hope this is useful. Best of luck!

Do you already have any of these? Yes: Metropolix, Atlantix. Constellation, pam's, quad vca. have a math's envelope wise, but gonna put that in another case, because it's too big for tis one.
-- Zacksname

EDITED Nov 6th, 15:52

looking to make techno. i want the option to sequence either in the box or via external midi controller. I want drums, bass, and random weirdo synth sounds. does this rack look right??

EDITED Nov 5th, 23:01

Hello I'm kinda new to this stuff but I'd love an honest opinion on what is missing here. I'm looking for typical techno distorted noise just to clarify. Thank you!

Hi everyone, first time asking for feedback so appreciate your time in advance.

I am a music producer, have been working in the box for over 6 years or so with a classical piano background.

I'm actually so thrilled with the unit I've put together so far - it's exceeded my expectations on even just basic resampling, sample chopping, and otherwise providing me a perspective on old tracks and new.

I love happy accidents, and that happens with controls that I'm not familiar with (non-keyboards) and strange CV combinations that I can record and reharmonize with down the line. I often reroute my signal flow between the Morphagene, Mimeophone, and the Panharmonium to chew up the sound to something completely different than what goes in.

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2689653.jpg

However, I am still very new to modular in general, and would love to get perspective on odd modules or other interesting ideas on modular for resampling and resynthesis (I saw the Make Noise one, but not a huge fan of the spectraphon sounds). I have an extra Tiptop HEK for around 80 HP as well.

I am very much not interested in performing with this live, mono synthesis, or long ambient patches, as I have many other tools in my studio that cover this.

Thank you.

Bottom row is pending. Middle row are modules I’m on the fence abour

1. if o_c is needed for logic duties, rather than sending midi to dmx:
   • disting mk4 could be put into a 22hp 1u panel
   • " " could replace sample player, though then it's not possible to have samples (from it) and dmx control at once
2. currently, sample player and drums are intended to be put through the crossfader;
   • however, they could also be run into adder in mono, and from there to ikarie
   • or send drums to L and samples to R of ikarie, and sum them to the mono output, though filter them differently perhaps

@HGsynth — Thanks for the reply!
1. I'm using two Doepfer A-100 cases (4 rows of 84hp)...not necessarily looking to expand immediately...more of thinking of how i can optimize this rack and reduce redundancy.
2. I do have a lot of external gear, but i'm using this rack more as a standalone instrument. Occasionally i'll experiment with throwing guitar pedals in the chain.
3. Musical goals are really just learning more. I have some Elektron boxes, an Arturia Minifreak, Moog subharmonicon, and the Moog grandmother. Modular has inspired me through the unique interactions with the instrument and with the modules themselves. I love surprising myself, realizing new sounds or patterns I can get with interesting patching I hadn't thought of before, and learning more about deeper functions.
5. Yes on those suggestions! I had been thinking about a matrix mixer because I know hardly anything about them, but it seems like another one of those "possibilities are endless" tools. I will check out the T-43. I had been trying to stay away from O&C just because I want to do less menu-diving....although I know it's an amazing jack of all trades.

This is great feedback! You hit the nail on the head with what i was thinking in terms of expanding functionality or exploring new tools like the matrix mixer.

EDITED Nov 4th, 14:26

Hi everyone, here's a recording of my latest live set, performed live at Modulab Eindhoven (NL).

I've used two separate cases for two independant voices. The first one is a semi-generative voice driven by NLC and Beers voltage sources, switches and sequencers. Oscillators are two Dannysound EN129's. The other voice is Frap Tools Brenso driven by Usta, & Sapel. Drums and percussion is the Weston B2, NLC Badumtisss and Patching Panda Hatz2 for kick, hat, snare, and a preset of homemade NLC samples using my Rossum Assimil8tor.

Enjoy, give it a spin. Thanks!

Available on Bandcamp, Spotify and all platforms.
https://driesgeusens.bandcamp.com/album/patterns-live-at-modulab-eindhoven

https://open.spotify.com/album/4WxiUEAq0dHcVfCQPUpiDB?si=aciNQ_gCSkmQtsabeh4udg

Hi HGSynth, thank you for you reply.
Here is my current rack

And here is what I aim:

Basically, I am a guitar player. I've got also some electronic gear like Analog Rytm mk 2, Sequential Prophet rev. 2, make noise 0 coast. The modular is to complete whole set. My aim is to do some ambient textures, drones, but also I really like to do sequencing staff using rene. What is worth to mention, I am not into techno or some agressive stuffs. I had a pizza oscillator, but for me it was too agressive.
And yes, I was using Maths as filter and Rene as modulator. Pamela is pretty good at modulation too :)

EDITED Nov 4th, 10:37

Not a bad start at all, but a few things to consider:

1. Do you plan on growing the rack / what case is this you're using?
2. How do you use this rack with external gear? I see you have a pedal interface, is this rack more of an effects unit, or is it more of a standalone instrument?
3. Any particular musical goals with this instrument?
4. I love that you've discovered the compare 2 and sequential switch. Those specific utility modules, along with vpme.de's T-43, doepfer's matrix mixer, and the Ornaments & Crime, made a world of difference to my own workflow and understanding of how to build an instrument and manipulate voltages (and therefore, sound).

Hey! A few questions / points to help:

1. Please provide a link to your rack, rather than just the jpg, that way we can explore it more easily.
2. Do you already own the case/modules, or is this all still in the planning phase?
3. What type of sounds/music are you aiming to make (aka, what do you mean by "experiment with textures")?
4. How interactive do you want the rack to be? Do you want it to be more playable and responsive to commands, or more generative and "suggestable," rather than directly controllable?

To your specific question, no, I do not think you have too many modulation sources; on the contrary, I would certainly suggest more. Something like a cv controllable LFO for example (for ever-changing modulation in addition to what Maths and Zadar can do - free them up for different uses). The longer I spend with modular synths, the more I realize that modulators and utilities are really what make the systems interesting. Sure, oscillators and filters and effects are fun, but any synth can do that, you don't need to dig into modular for those features. But if you want to have control over the fiddly cv details, want to be able to set up (and maybe make hands-free) changing parameters over time, or really explore unique methods of sound creation (for example, have you ever tried using the Zadar as an oscilator, or the Rene as a modulator, or the Maths as a filter - or anything really), well that's where modular shines. And for that, you should spend some more time looking at modulators and utilities. In general, I'd rather fewer sounds sources and more utilities/modulators than the other way around. What you have is a good start, but I'd think about how much space you're dedicating to effects and whether that will get you the synthesizer experience you're looking for.

You should update with a link and let us know how much of your rack is planned vs. already owned, and we can suggest further. Good luck with your sounds explorations!

Dont buy , the model cv input is unusable , this is where they seriously cut corners , also when i listen to my friend s plaits , it sounds 100times better , idk if it s in my head tho

I took the plunge! I filled my old dfam boat with the bitbox micro 18hp, erica synths LXR 28hp, erica synths joystick 12 hp and the endorphin.es 2hp mult power suppply. All Black Faces! It should compliment the grandmother, dfam, mavis, and BSP nicely. Thanks for all of the suggestions! Cheers!

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2393267.jpg

Hi there. Here is my rack. Currently I am thinking if this kind of setup makes a sense? I mean I;ve got Pamela and Maths, and I am torn between Batumi and Zadar. I'd like to experiment with textures, that's why I'd stick more with Zadar, but please feel free to give you feedback.
Btw, what do you think about this rack overall?
Thanks!

Bug Fix: the Median Price function now calculates the median and not some fantasy values.

*dpo: LFO 선택

*pamela's Pro
-1out: /4, random squre, level 50%, probability 80%, cross op_mix, cross src_self, flex op_human, flex amt_25%, quantizeharm minor,
-3out: /16, 1square, width 50%, level 100%, probability 100%,

*디테일 조정은 math, quard vca, dual adsr

EDITED Nov 3rd, 03:37

Patch notes in the youtube link

a bigger case to have room for expansion

hi, all,

Looking for general feedback here. What am i'm lacking? What would you change? I'm still relatively new to modular. More of a reformed guitarist/drummer that's just been experimenting with synths for the last two years.

A couple of notes:
Genre wise I like generative ambient, noise, and experimental.
External Gear I have a Syntakt to cover drums, and the makenoise 0-ctrl and Korg SQ-1.
Modules I could part with: Data Bender, one of the delays (nautilus or mimeophon), Tides
Things I'm considering: More envelopes? another interesting osc? Or deeper logic functions?
Additional note: Still developing my understanding of deeper functions ("deeper" from a "beginner's" perspective). For instance, I just recently got a seq switch and the Joranaloge Compare 2--both of which have been blowing my mind in the possibilities.

Thanks!

EDITED Nov 1st, 14:58

Hey! I'm building my first rack. I really need some help. I have an extra 60hp case sitting around that I'm using for a Maths, Bitbox micro, Disting mk4 and something else. I don't know yet. I need a power source but I'm not sure what to get. I'm completely new to this. I'm working with a moog grandmother, dfam, mavis and a bsp. Any help or suggestions of better modules to get for that setup would be highly appreciated.
-- JayStax

i think you will be better served in either the modular Reddit or modwiggler beginner forums. I'm still very much figuring things out myself and not the best resource.

your answer will change depending on what kind of music you enjoy making and how you like making it (like are you a keyboardist or more of a sequencer programmer.)

I'm building a big mess of jack of all trades rack since i really like everything from techno to ambient and really anything with a pronounced symth soundscape.

If you're just looking for power, something like the TipTop uZeus or the endorphines 2hp power are great for small cases. for the modules you listed, they draw a little over 500mA on the +12v rail and less than 100mA on the -12v rail. With the right wall wart or power brick, uZeus will pump out 2 amps +12v and 500mA -12v, and the 2hp Power produces 1amp +12v and 700mA -12v. Either would give you headroom to add one or two more modules. Cheers!

ahhh great! Pam's and Steppy work wonderfully. And yeah, at minimum you want one envelope per sound you're making. Another pair of ADSRs and/or Scenes will let you be a lot more flexible. One other fun trick for hats is to set the waveform of one channel on Pam's to be a short decay envelope and have it at x2 or x4 tempo. That frees one of your actual envelopes for other duties. Plus you can do some euclidean things or random skips. Good times!

After Later Audio Scenes (stage clone) looks great, thanks for the tip. I'll do that instead of 2 dual ADSR. Will also check Sound on Sound series. Thanks again for taking the time.

Hey! I'm building my first rack. I really need some help. I have an extra 60hp case sitting around that I'm using for a Maths, Bitbox micro, Disting mk4 and something else. I don't know yet. I need a power source but I'm not sure what to get. I'm completely new to this. I'm working with a moog grandmother, dfam, mavis and a bsp. Any help or suggestions of better modules to get for that setup would be highly appreciated.

EDITED Oct 30th, 22:41

Hey thanks lot for answering!

Sorry, my post lacked context.
I do have Pam's and Steppy for sequencing duties. I was really wondering about the patching techniques you would use to make the most out of these 5 modules as a drum unit.

So if I understand well, I could use one Brooks, one ADSR channel and one VCA channel to implement a kick.

And 2 ADSR channels, one Brooks, noise and 2 VCA channels to implement a snare.

Means I need more ADSR!

So let's say I add a second Dual ADSR to have 4 different envelopes.

Could I then leverage the last Cloaks VCA, the remaining envelope and the noise to add Hats to the mix?

Howdy! What are you using to trigger sounds? Are you hoping to just record one-shot samples into a DAW or do you want to treat your modular rack like a designated drum machine? The thing you can do with just what you have here is run the clock output from the noise/random module into the trigger in on one of the ADSRs. Run white noise out from the noise/random into one of the VCAs and the ADSR out to control the VCA. Keep the Attack, Decay, and Sustain near zero and play around with the release. Turn the clock speed up to how fast you'd want hi-hats to go and you've got that part of the kit going! For bonus, run the S&H out into the CVT input on the ADSR to get some varying length releases and humanize it a bit.

Without a trigger sequencer or at least a clock divider, there's not a whole lot more you could add to the kit as is. For a kick sound, tune one of the Brooks low and run it into a VCA. Have the ADSR go to both control the VCA and have it hit the pitch of Brooks to taste. Other option would be to put the other Brooks into another VCA and patch that VCA output into the FM in on the first Brooks, and use the ADSR out to control the 2nd VCA (and thus the depth of FM from one Brooks into the other).

Similar idea for a snare sound, except combine one Brooks and maybe the colored noise output in two channels of the Cloaks, controlled by the two ADSRs triggered at the same time, but playing with the release times to see what sounds come out of it.

As for modules I'd add, Pam's is great as a master clock and you can program it like a drum sequencer with a little work. A clone of Mutable Instruments Grids is perfect for a 3 piece drum machine, although no matter what you'll want at least one more envelope. For that, I think a clone of Mutable Instruments Stages is perfect for percussive things. Most percussion you really only need a Decay envelope, and Stages can quickly be 6 of those, but you can also set it up to be a mix of decay envelopes, clocks, clock dividers, S&H, or a bunch of other things (particularly with the Quiemem firmware).

Also highly recommend the Sound on Sound Synth Secrets series of articles for in-depth looks at creating a lot of different sounds from base synth components. Cheers friend!

The images doesn't seem to show the last version of the rack. There are in fact 2 brooks.

Hello all,
I tend to use dedicated percussion modules for drum duties.
Now, I would like to patch my drum sounds out of base components, in order to have more flexibility/sound variety/control.

What could I make out of these 5 modules?

Based on what I read, I could make a decent Kick, snare and hats.

How would you patch a 3 part drum kit with these modules? Or even a 4 part drum kit?

Let me know your thoughts, different choices of modules, additions etc.

Thanks.

A General MIDI synth, complete with full sound banks. Excellent quality samples!
It’s GM, so pretty generic and not tweakable in this unit, so good for backgrounds, pads, and percussion, don’t know if you’ll want to solo any of these.
Can be triggered by CV gate, or by MIDI input, which gives you up to 64 voices of polyphony, quite a large selection in a small package. By using the HOLD function you can get poly sounds with CV, or just trigger them with MIDI.

A simple build, would be a great first kit to give you a solid foundation of sounds for your rig.
Build

Nice jam, nice collab! Some parts are really exciting. Thanks for sharing!

What do you think of this synthesizer jam? We recorded this yesterday.

EDITED Oct 27th, 07:46

Patchnotes in the youtube Link

Smooth. What's your setup?

Try not to judge me harshly for the Behrenger modules, this is, a replacement for my other rack from 6 years ago was recently stolen during moving, and I simply dont have the money to rebuy those modules for now.
I seem to have forgotten how to modulate. Please tell me where to place the modules I have here, (likely to keep the Utility modules where they are for the layout of my space and wiring).
Also any starter patching ideas would be great.

https://modulargrid.net/e/steady-state-fate-autodub

hilarious

Warning to anyone who builds their own modules for eurorack.
I oredered parts from a company called MODTEK.UK aka (Tangle of Tings)
They promote themselve as caring about fellow enthusiasts.
They took my money for order said they would post it but never sent items
They will not respond to any emails at all at their support email.
so be cautious when buying from companies, check first if they are reputable traders.
Buyer beware

Hi, isn't that exactly what the Molten Bypass (Befaco/Molten Modular) does? Or did I misunderstand? Or are you talking more complex?
-- Rolling_Rat

Ah yes, thank you! This is exactly the kind of thing I am looking for. I clearly need to work on my Googling skills.

I wonder if there are any other alternatives worth considering too?

Looks good, but shouldn't the outputs be labelled "OUT", rather than "CUT"?

Any other views from here on this module?
Did it live up to expectations?

Ive been looking at it & considering getting one for a while but a little on the fence due to size & cost.

Good experience selling a pedal to @gabrielestera, thank you!

Hi, isn't that exactly what the Molten Bypass (Befaco/Molten Modular) does? Or did I misunderstand? Or are you talking more complex?