My post is quite clear, good luck with your modular, stay happy 😊

@GunnarWaage, are you referring to my post ?

-- Slim

I don't think I made reference to anyone in particular.

-- GunnarWaage

You did make a reference to something, so if it's not this one, which one? "This post" refers to a single post in a thread...

Hi, like to know your opinion. I'm still in the process of designing this.
The basic idea is to build a rack with 2 Eurorack Go's for Berlin school making music.

SEQUENCING
The first row is all about gate and CV handling, with some 'swiss knives' like O&C and Pamela's work out, the rest are mainly sequencers. Clock dividers and multipliers are handy to have the sequencer play at different speeds. There is an external Korg SQ-1 as well. That makes enough fully independent sequencers...

SOUND
I have the Erica Synths Edu range, that will certainly be part of the rack. That's the main part of the second row.
The idea is to have at least 4 built in sound sources: 4 OSC's: nRings, edu VCO, Plaits, Capt'n Big-O. There are 4 filters as well, 5 mixers, 8 VCA's, 7 EG's (I use slew limiters as AR EG's), 5 LFO's, and a Disting EX for whatever sound modulation I might be missing.
Capt'n Big-O plus the wavefolder and the vactrol LPG serve to add some West Coast synthesis capabilities.
The Ladik-M610 should serve as final 6 channel mixer, so I'm able to add 2 more external sound sources, like a Volca Drums and an external synth (strings). Reverb and delay is added externally. There is also an external phase shifter available, else I would have foreseen it in the rack.

POSITIONING
Every row has a dual buffered mult in the middle. Buffering is not always necessary, but I don't wont to think too much about the signals that need a mult.
A lot of my first modules were very densily made, which ultimately I do not really like, especially when they have little knobs.
So you might notice I put socket-only modules together or away from knobs and switches, and the 2HP modules with their tiny knobs are now at the left or right extremes of the cabinet for easy reachability.

Things in doubt
- 2 HP TM: superfluous ?
- Will only 1 S&H be sufficient? I'll need it for racheting on clock multipliers but perhaps Pamela's Workout can produce the same service with only that module (I don't have Pamela's Workout yet)
- Doepfer Clock Divider A-160-2: superfluous as well, if there would be already 4 other clock dividers
- There is still room left: what would you add?

EDITED May 1st 2024, 08:35

This one uses a mix of AM and FM to create space sounds, and sometimes, with a bit of luck, bird tweets.

Video demonstration here:

Note the knob positions, marked by the white dots. Most of these can be played with to get quite a bit of range in the types of sounds, but I'd start around there first.

In this patch, it might be helpful to set it up in this order.

1. Patch output of the bottom oscillator into Input 1 of the VCA. Patch the output of the top oscillator into the CV of channel 1. Turn the main level of channel 1 to 50%, and turn the CV attenuator to 100%.
2. Patch Output of VCA's channel 1 to the input of Channel 2. Patch the output of Maths right channel into the CV of Channel 2. Set main level of channel to to 0%, and the CV attenuator to ~50%.
3. Patch Output of VCA channel 4 to Mimeophon, but turn the mix down for now, so you can focus on what's happening before it gets affected by the Mimeophon.
4. Hit the cycle button of Maths and adjust rise an fall until it opens the vca ~2 times a second. The exact length doesn't matter at this point, just make it slow enough that you can hear a sound ringing out. Adjust the frequency of both oscillators to very high pitches. The top oscillator should be a bit higher than the lower one. Adjust the relationship of the two until you get metallic or bell sounds
5. Patch the output of Maths' left channel into the FM input of the bottom oscillator. Maths knobs at about 45%. Put it in cycle mode. Adjust the FM knob on the oscillator, so that you hear just a little bit of wavering in the pitch, but not so much that it's overwhelming.
6. Now, let's get a little variation in this by bringing the Rene to modulate the rate of the Maths, as well as changing the pitch. Take the EOC (end of cycle) output of the right channel of Maths. It's the bottom right output. Patch this into the X clock input of Rene. Use a stackable cable to patch that same cable to the Y clock input. The EOC outputs a gate signal every time the Maths channel finishes. So the faster our Maths channel, the faster the Rene will advance.
7. Patch the X CV output to the 1v/octave input of the bottom oscillator.
8. We're going to use the use the Y channel CV to modulate the rate of the Maths. Patch the Y CV output to Math channel 3 input (it's the 4th input from the left on the top). Patch the channel 3 output to the Fall input of the right channel of Maths. Adjust channel 3 attenuator and Rise and Fall to taste. You should be getting some variation in rythym. Use a 4-5 lenth sequence on Rene's Y channel, and adjust its CV knobs to see how it affects the rythm. Higher values should result in longer envelopes.
9. Use a stackable cable to patch the X channel CV output to Maths channel 2 input (3rd input from left on top). Connect channel 2 output to the both intpu of Maths left channel (it's the middle one, 2nd input below the cycle button). Adjust the attenuator for channel to to the left to get some variation in the FM. Higher pitches should have a faster tremolo than lower pitches.
10. Turn up the mix on the Mimeophon and explore

Play with:
- Oscillator frequency
- Maths rise and fall on both channels.
- CV of both X & Y channels of Rene
- Sequence length on Rene X & Y channels
- Attenuators for Maths channel 2 and 3
- Mimeophone settings

EDITED Apr 28th 2024, 17:31

@GunnarWaage, are you referring to my post ?

-- Slim

I don't think I made reference to anyone in particular.

@GunnarWaage, are you referring to my post ?

I knew when I saw this post that it would go totally sideways. It seems to me that some people are used to receiving what they bought in 48 hours. But people trading modules here on modulargrid.net are not buisness people with a set routine when it comes to sending modules around the world. Of course one always takes a chance buying a module like that and sometimes one waits an awful long time. But I have had very enjoyable experience buyig and trading, been lucky I guess. But I also think most people are good and trustworthy and that a module usually arrives in the end. Threats and defaming people is not the way.

Test ...

ok cool

Ahh so you dont copy a link to the image but to the actual rack.
Got it i think.

For wavetables I like the "4ms Spherical Wavetable Navigator". Adding a Joystick to this would be great.

it has 6 voices with chords implemented.

Do you have all the modules in the rack?
Which music genre do you focus?

own all these, and a few more
Genre is a tough one. I'm going to say whatever genre moderat is (IDM?). sometimes hip hop too.

With the other gear you seem to be very good set. Because of that:
If you not mainly in modular, maybe think about to only add some eurorack modules as utilities to compliment your grandmother and dfam. Just said, to save money.

i am not set on only modular, but am fascinated by the flexibility of it. I have some guitar pedals to throw in the mix, and over 600 VST/VSTi's. Which utilities to conplement the moogs?

do you need 2 maths?

No 😂 liked the black plate, then a few days later saw a silver-plated one for less than $170.

maybe less erica synths?

Yeah, I'm guilty of getting these early on liking the aesthetic. They're mostly fine, but am not a big fan, tbh

what about noise sources, distortion / saturation?

Would love a good analog saturation. Noise has been on my mind, almost pulled the plug on an SSF rainbow multiple times, but wanted to research more first

maybe some schlappi engineering stuff like interstellar radio, 100 grid or a Benjolin?

I like the Benjolin V2 for sound design. It has also a nice filter

a nebulae or morphagene for resampling, glitches and tape effects?

qu-bit Aurora combined with noise sources?

Befaco Noise Plethora = great noise source with analog filters.

-- VONDENFUNKEN

Thanks for all the recommendations, will be looking into these. There's something about Qu-bit modules that's caused me to avoid in the past (having the chord v2). Words are escaping me to describe it.

EDITED Apr 27th 2024, 15:47

Yeahh sry m8. Thnx for adding pic. First post here. Dont know how to do that here with my iPad from 2010.
-- Chrissozz

for future reference: copy the url of your public rack from the address bar in your browser - then paste it in the post or reply as appropriate

For wavetables I like the "4ms Spherical Wavetable Navigator". Adding a Joystick to this would be great.

it has 6 voices with chords implemented.

Do you have all the modules in the rack?
Which music genre do you focus?

With the other gear you seem to be very good set. Because of that:
If you not mainly in modular, maybe think about to only add some eurorack modules as utilities to compliment your grandmother and dfam. Just said, to save money.

Otherwize:
do you need 2 maths?
maybe less erica synths?
what about noise sources, distortion / saturation?

maybe some schlappi engineering stuff like interstellar radio, 100 grid or a Benjolin?

I like the Benjolin V2 for sound design. It has also a nice filter

a nebulae or morphagene for resampling, glitches and tape effects?

qu-bit Aurora combined with noise sources?

Befaco Noise Plethora = great noise source with analog filters.

For wavetables - take a look at neuzeit warp. or the flame 4vox.
I'd get a joystick with that 4 vox for some wavestation vibes
Apparently the assimil8or can do some impressive wavetables as well
For granular i want to get an arbhar as well. I've been looking at qu-bit's mojave as well.
So many options in euro that it gets kinda overwhelming.

No rules. Because you can choose to vary different parameters over time (amplitude, pitch, frequencies, etc.). The possibilities are wide.

After watching videos I really like the WMD Javelin. Is there a general rule of thumb for the number of envelope generators you should have in your rack?

It looks like u've got most/all basic bases covered.
My question would be what kind of synthesis engines would u like to have/explore?
Personally i would look into some more esoteric sound sources.
Something like granular and or wavetables for instance.
IMHO there's only so much u can do with stacking regular oscilators.
Just my 2 cnts
-- Chrissozz

Yeah for sure. I had the Erica Black WaveTable VCO until a little bit ago. I probably didn't give it a fair go, but I wasn't really feeling it. I do have the monsoon (diy clouds) for a hint of the (esoteric) granular sound and kind of was thinking to rely on effects primarily for that element. I do think an Arbhar would be neat.

All that said, I'll probably (re)watch some wavetable tutorials and dive down the granular module YT reviews rabbithole this weekend.

any personal recommendations for wavetable or granular modules?

Yeahh sry m8. Thnx for adding pic. First post here. Dont know how to do that here with my iPad from 2010.

& the link cos jpgs are useless!!

It looks like u've got most/all basic bases covered.
My question would be what kind of synthesis engines would u like to have/explore?
Personally i would look into some more esoteric sound sources.
Something like granular and or wavetables for instance.
IMHO there's only so much u can do with stacking regular oscilators.
Just my 2 cnts

Hello folks
I've recently bit the bullet and got myself a rackbrute 6U together with some utilities in order to play with my neutron and quadrantid swarm.
Having seen some incredible sound designing on a channel i recently found ...... my GAS kicked in and had me building a 12U case.
The intended use for this case is to create cinematic intro's for raw hardstyle/gabber hardcore music.
At least .... that was kinda my focal point.

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2529954.jpg?1714146801

I'd like to get some constructive criticism before i take the plunge and start filling my 1st case.
Very curious as to what could be improved.

Thanks for the advice. I'll skip adding another voice for now. I had also considered adding a Steady State Gate as I loved the LPG sound I got from my erica synths pico system. Maybe get that and the Zadar. I think they'd fit.

EDITED Apr 26th 2024, 14:58

I really like zadar - especially as it has built in attenuation...

imo there's not really enough space for another sound source (due to not enough space for support modules for it) - so leave that for the next case - along with a matrrix mixer...

you could probably squeeze in another filter too - if you move things about a bit

and the link as way more useful for this purpose

EDITED Apr 26th 2024, 14:16

Hi all. Just wondering if anyone sees a gaping hole in this rack (in terms of functionality) that needs filling.
I've got the ES-8 and Es-3 going to Ableton, so sequencing duties, drums, and LFO stuff is well covered. I've got a store credit to use and was thinking of either adding a Xaoc Zadar or a Noise Engineering BIA (the new Alia one). Any thoughts on which of those two might better complement the rack? Or is there something else entirely I should be considering. Thanks for any help you can provide.

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_1587986.jpg?1714138229

Which purpose should the rack have?

Which role should it take in the whole gear-setup?
-- VONDENFUNKEN

Yeah, good question...
I would have answered this question much differently a year ago and might have a new perspective next year.

TLDR; I want to be able to sound design and have some paraphonic (mostly analog) voices through Eurorack. Im not overly caring about sequencers/drum modules in eurorack due to existing pieces I have, but would still get anything that demanded itself. I want the ability to continue to learn 'synthesis', hands-on -- I have the entire Arturia VCollection (love it, but want the workflow/experience of hardware). I want (the option) to re-perform my compositions' individual tracks in Ableton through my rig and spice them up with different sound(s), texture(s), modulation(s) and or effect(s).

Edit: reperforming tracks (midi or audio) -- I am also very curious about bi-directional CV communication between my PC and synths, but haven't gone down that rabbit-hole yet, but an ES-8/9 has my attention.

EDITED Apr 26th 2024, 13:45

Which purpose should the rack have?

Which role should it take in the whole gear-setup?

WMD Javelin, Frequency Central System X Envelope, ALM Busy Circuits Pip Slope, and (of course, but larger) Intellijel Quadra. Many solutions are available :)

Thank you for the feedback Sweelinck. I like your suggestion, could you recommend an envelope module that may be more fitting for techno?

Just one point: Zadar is a great module but in a system for techno music, a more directly tweakable envelope tool might fit better, I guess.

I'll mainly be using this for techno and generating weird noises. What would you swap out/replace/add to this first pass at a rack?

https://cdn.modulargrid.net/img/racks/modulargrid_2540586.jpg
so, this is a 6U (top) and 3U (bottom) RackBrute setup.

below is a dfam (w/ mafd) and un-pictured is a drumbrute impact, Jomox airbase 99, keystep pro 37, moog grandmother, keylab 88mkii, motu MTP(AV), and a computer with Ableton Live (Studio/Max). i have some other hardware too, but trying to keep the scope of this post on mostly eurorack.

Eurorack is the newest to the party (started last April) and would love any feedback on existing modules (choices/placement) and modules I'm 'missing' or you'd recommend would be a good fit. right now the 6U is my main focus with the 3U being overflow/new module test bed.

edit: a few modules im interested in are disting mk4, cizzle, and the 3-in-1 new noise engineering (mostly want to try out BIA)

EDITED Apr 25th 2024, 22:24

I meant a Eurorack module similar to that delay
-- guidocbt

I know, but anything that doesn't take up hp is fine by me 8'). Try finding a Stretch Weaver module! Nope,
but you do with a pedal. . . .

Check this two:

https://modulargrid.net/e/intellijel-sealegs

https://modulargrid.net/e/4ms-company-tapographic-delay

I meant a Eurorack module similar to that delay

Looking for feedback on this small system. It's inside an intellijel palette case so there's mults available (I didn't know how to add those in the editor).

I'll be sequencing this via an Oxi One and have reverb/delay effects in a separate case.

Thank you :-)

Seems like I am basically repeating the reply above this one. So +1 :)
As for Musique Concrete, it was about tape splicing/cutting and reversing to create new sounds from existing ones. The module to go for is the MakeNoise Morphagene (very close to the old technique of splicing), but you'll be in heaven with a combo of Instruo Arbhar (grains) and Lubadh (tape). Unfortunately you'll need to complete it with utilities that complement the set. You'll need a clock with lots of CV (Pam's new/pro workout) a Maths wouldn't hurt, a VCA/LPG and some extra effects (FxAid). Often overlooked is that Musique Concrete builds on existing recordings and live captures. Don't forget a simple sample player or maybe even an ES-8 to capture/borrow any audio from the PC/Mac.

Cheers,
R.

EDITED Apr 25th 2024, 15:07

yes, in my main rack I have a lot of modulation modules. I would use one or maximum two specifc modules (i thought matrix mixer for that) to manage in fast way the multitude of lfos and evolving constantly the final process. Obviously I use other modules outside for clock, vca and effects.

I use it to mix complex cvs from different lfos and envelopes.

or to send different levels of audio to several fx modules

An interesting little module. It uses a passive infrared motion sensor(PIR) to turn off, or on, a signal path.
Probably not something you’ll use a lot but could have unique uses.
BTW, this is apparently a limited production run of 100, and I think they’re sold out.

Build was super easy, barely an inconvenience. But you can learn about PIR sensors!
Build

dear all,
a provocation with my question, I simply curious about your strategy with matrix mixer.
thanks
FB

disclaimer: i got one used; i also think it sucks that what they did was without the blessing of Xaoc even if it's not illegal (in spite of the conjecture above, the Batumi firmware IS open source - peep the github - and maybe a different type of CC license would have served the developers better), and at best I'm on the fence about buying new B products since they've starting behaving sketchily.

THAT SAID

does anyone know anything about the viability of alt Batumi firmware on the Four LFO?

...This does not work for you?

-- modulargrid

copy/paste modules does work within both browser windows. but each with its separate server side clipboards.
it makes no difference if i edit the identical rack or 2 different racks. i use firefox and chromium on linux

Haven't seen one, but since they did do a module for their Afterneath pedal, there's a chance
they may for the AR. I use pedals with my system, and there are several ways to interact.

Here's an article about using control voltage specifically with the AR pedal --

https://eqd.my.site.com/url/s/article/Using-Control-Voltage-with-the-Avalanche-Run

I use the Unifx, but of course it is only mono. For stereo pedals I use a dedicated Audio I/O --

https://modulargrid.net/e/intellijel-audio-i-o-2023

You can copy/paste from different browsers..

seems to be persisted in the MG database on a user session basis instead of a user basis!?

-- modular01

I am not sure. But I have successfully tested it right now.
I logged in in two different browsers (Chrome and Firefox on a Mac) with the same account. I could copy/paste modules from different racks.
You hover the mouse over one module in the first browser and press c than go to the other browser, hover with the mouse over the rack (important) and press v. No CTRL, no CMD, no ALT, just the keys c and v.
Keyboard Shortcuts must be enabled, Rack Lock must be disabled.
This does not work for you?

You can copy/paste from different browsers..

modulargrid.com is now an alternative domain for modulargrid.net.

-- modulargrid

copy/paste modules between .net and .com top level domains does also not work. each site has its own "server side clipboard".
the urls
/e/modules/add_to_clipboard.json?moduleId=xxx
and
/e/modules/get_from_clipboard.json
seems to be persisted in the MG database on a user session basis instead of a user basis!?

Limited marketplace offer notifications

A new unpopular feature that nobody asked for: I've limited the number of automatic watchers you can set for offers on the marketplace.
On the module detail pages is that button Notify me if someone offers this module for sale. Standard users can sign up for 5 module notifications, while Unicorn users can set up to 2500 watchers.
The reason for this is that the mail server has been blocked several times due to excessive traffic, causing important features such as user messaging and optin registration to stop working.

I got contacted by sugarfreedaddy and he said that he will refund (but I did not get a refund yet).
I will update when I'll have something new to share.

EDITED Apr 24th 2024, 12:07

First three patches on my new Easel-esque system! Patch notes included:

alias subdomain for MG?

modulargrid.com is now an alternative domain for modulargrid.net. It uses Cloudflare so it might be even a bit faster.

Hi,
Is there an eurorack module similar to the Avalanche Run ?

Thanks