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Hi.
I'm not going to buy a maths. It's too large.
I know its called the best module of all time. But - I watched youtube-videos with it... and I don't understand it...
Maybe next year with a bigger case...

hi. a quick search for pd in the mule db brings up these:
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/modules/browser?SearchName=Pure+data&SearchVendor=&SearchFunction=&SearchSecondaryfunction=&SearchHeight=&SearchTe=&SearchTemethod=max&SearchBuildtype=&SearchLifecycle=&SearchSet=all&SearchMarketplace=&SearchIsmodeled=0&SearchShowothers=0&order=newest&direction=asc

What is going on with (vintage??) Maths ???

I have seen all kinds of gear being declared vintage or rare over the last few years, to justify a higher price level. the latest i noticed was the vintage makenoise maths, with prices around 5/600 up to 900 and even 1100 ($ or €)

wtf??!! is it so much better than the newer and current model, to justify a price for used modules that is 2,3 or even 4 times the prce of a new Maths?

Am i missing something?
-- AS0leo

Even the 2hp 'Picnic Basket' (their 'Flagship Lunchbox') is presented with blank panels between modules. And they often do their public demonstrations with these spacers.
https://www.twohp.com/systems/picnic-basket

So the first and best suggestion will be to buy some blank panels (1 or 2HP), really. Not very exiting but much more comfortable.

• Sweelinck

I know what you mean, as you can see all modules from their drum kit lunchbox are already on this rack. Thanks for the suggestion Sweelinck, I will probably add some space in between but without buying any blank panel for the moment. In future I will decide if keeping or replacing them, I mean I like how they sound and they are so small that they allow to add for more modules but I would like a little bit more variety. I would probably add up some dedicated effect or swap it with an analogue drumkit, if I find something that fits, in the future...

Even the 2hp 'Picnic Basket' (their 'Flagship Lunchbox') is presented with blank panels between modules. And they often do their public demonstrations with these spacers.
https://www.twohp.com/systems/picnic-basket

A small-format macro oscillator like Twin Waves or Beehive (a 8HP clone of Plaits) would be welcome in a small box to complete your Threshold.

Finally I’ll add an attenuverter/attenuator, and probably remove Jam Jam since you have Pam’s.
-- Sweelinck

interesting oscillators, but I would have to add more clocks and mixers and effects to include more voices, and there's not enough room. Definitely not something for small portable systems (actually I was thinking if adding a couple more voice, but on the drum side, like a double voiced percussion like bongos or something like that, but still, I would need extra clocks and mixer inputs, so.... )

I agree maybe I can remove the Jam Jam from this rack for the prosecution of this thread as it might be seen as redundant, however I can't understand why you would add an attenuverter/attenuator. May I ask you to explain why it would be something useful to add to this particular setup?

I originally started out thinking that I would be happy with Euclidian patterns for Drum sequencing but I quickly found I wanted more control so added a Roboux LL8 and later a Beatstep Pro. Is this someting you've thought of or are you completely happy as you are as you already have a lot of trigger options?
-- wishbonebrewery

You caught me again, I do have an extra module for Euclidean patterns 😁 but I am on the opposite journey as I got tired of classical sequencers and I am more interested in generative music now. That's why one option on the table is also to get extra modulations, I would get a second PAM PRO but I don't like duplicating modules. Maybe I can find something similar, like 2 or 4 extra PAMish channels of CVs modulators, but I still haven't checked if there is actually something like that around (and the PAM PRO itself is quite new).

EDITED Nov 6th 2023, 20:59

At the moment I've got separate racks for each section, which is far from convenient for shuffling around modules. Is there an easier way to do that?

Also, key shortcuts for moving modules vertically would be nice too.
-- Mazz

If you click on Data Sheet in the rack planner power consumption is calculated by row. Does that help?
Also key shortcuts to move modules should work. Hover over a module, press enter, use cursor keys to move, enter to place ...

-- modulargrid

Ah excellent! I was using the "," and "." to move the modules left and right. I didn't know the Enter+Cursor Keys.
The Data Sheet is great for rows, but the Mantis and Go have separate left and right sections.

absolutely, this solves the problem, thanks, Dirk

Hello everybody!

This is my current Nifty-Case. I wanna get rid of both left modules (cells und chips) and I'm looking for replacement.

Additional gear:
Controller: KeyLab88, KeyStepPro, BeatStep
Drums: Volca Drum
Sampler: TE Pocket Operator KO
Another Synth-Voice: Behringer Neutron (I'm thinking of buying 2nd Hand Edge+Crave as well)
C+G Organelle M
Koma Field Kit
Software: Arturia V Collection
Recording on Tascam-device.

My current favorite modules for 24HP are:
1. Pams (I definetely will buy it)
2. A very thin Mixer
3. Bastl Pizza (I also thought about Rings, OxiCoral, PolyCinematic - Piston Honda would be great, but way too large...)
4. Ochd (I don't know... maybe I will try out Pams first and buy it later...I just read the very good ratings...)
5. 2HP Loop.

Well... I would really appreciate some thoughts of you guys...
I like complex modules with 100 functions and 200 pages manuals....
I also thought about one of these programmable modules from e.g. electrosmiths. I am a programmer and I also have this Organelle M, which can be programmed in pure data.

EDITED Nov 6th 2023, 20:32

It would be great to be able to split the rack in sections (Mantis, Go, etc.) with separate current draw calculations.
At the moment I've got separate racks for each section, which is far from convenient for shuffling around modules. Is there an easier way to do that?

Also, key shortcuts for moving modules vertically would be nice too.
-- Mazz

If you click on Data Sheet in the rack planner power consumption is calculated by row. Does that help?
Also key shortcuts to move modules should work. Hover over a module, press enter, use cursor keys to move, enter to place ...

it's not about typing in the description field, it's about using the "Text Replacement" function in Macos, where you can automatically substitute a text you type by a saved text (usually a short abbreviated text replaced by a much longer text)
-- DirkB

We added a Rich Text Editor lately to the offer form which might cause the issue.
I now have added a Legacy Mode button to return to the web conform standard form. Maybe that fixes the issue?

I am trying to find more UK makers, and it would be a huge help to have a search filter for country of manufacture on the site. Thanks.

That user has loads of positive feedback and was mentioned on the good traders thread. Thanks to you their name has now come up in the bad traders thread. Nice! /s

Not to start beef but i dont think that the Singularity just dose not stand up to the Famine. You could do almost the same thing with Famine if you turn the voltage down till the module is off and put trigger or mult the same trigger from the module or sharp env to Famine. You would have room for sweet spots with the voltage level knob, trig voltage and env shapes. The Singularity dose not sounds like a Noon either. Famine is more on the dangers side dont be to afraid of it. But with a Singularity "on the safer side" i would love to throw more things in it then just a capsitor in it. I like the open points on Error modues i want to explore it.

I originally started out thinking that I would be happy with Euclidian patterns for Drum sequencing but I quickly found I wanted more control so added a Roboux LL8 and later a Beatstep Pro. Is this someting you've thought of or are you completely happy as you are as you already have a lot of trigger options?

Even the 2hp 'Picnic Basket' (their 'Flagship Lunchbox') is presented with blank panels between modules. And they often do their public demonstrations with these spacers.
https://www.twohp.com/systems/picnic-basket

So the first and best suggestion will be to buy some blank panels (1 or 2HP), really. Not very exiting but much more comfortable.

A small-format macro oscillator like Twin Waves or Beehive (a 8HP clone of Plaits) would be welcome in a small box to complete your Threshold.

Finally I’ll add an attenuverter/attenuator, and probably remove Jam Jam since you have Pam’s.

I'm guessing you have other gear, synths, sound modules etc?
And bear in mind that closely spaced 2hp-sized module are very hard to use once they are patched and close to other modules.
-- wishbonebrewery

you guess right. it's my first system and I ended up with some extra room to fill

I think the issue you say about the 2hp drum kit it's not its real problem with me, since once a CV is patched to for instance to the Pamela, the knob underneath doesn't really need to be moved again. But yes, those 3 can stay together but can't be placed every where, you are right

I am not sure if adding more effects to the drum kit or replacing it with something bigger like for instance the LEPs, not necessarily right now, I am not taking new modules every month

EDITED Nov 5th 2023, 10:57

I'm guessing you have other gear, synths, sound modules etc?
And bear in mind that closely spaced 2hp-sized module are very hard to use once they are patched and close to other modules.

Not sure if something was just being changed but that 'Legacy Mode' button just showed up as a 'Toggle' button and the reply input form was stopping me use all of my letter keys, some worked and some didn't.
Weirdly now this seems OK again. Must have been a Glitch in the Matrix-mixer!

Hi all,

Any idea about potential next modules from a system like this?

What would you get to fill the rack?

Thank you in advance to everybody

Dan

EDITED Nov 5th 2023, 08:43

In general, you can make it so that it would be possible to set a rating only if the deal is concluded. It's not that hard to implement.
-- Sholebabluch

Please tell me how???

I got the same problem today.
Only got an e-Mail with the text "Hello" from this user "alienalien" and now he can rating me.
I'm not really satisfied with this.
What can i do now.

Thanks for help and answer.

It’s not always sunny in modular world.

So plz Tell us about the people we better avoid.

hi there. is @wavecircles a trader to avoid? Just asking here before try to purchase a 450€ module. :)

Certainly looks like it. Since you're advised to calibrate your oscillators for the power-supply they're hooked to, an octave-tool like this one could work (in the slightest) different with differening surroundings. - If you plan on buying a multimeter, aside from the range, look for one to also include a frequency-counter to also use it later to check the pitch with an oscillators squarewave. Sadly, the reaaally precise Multimeters are quite the expensive ride. I got one for around 160 Euros and for the frequency-counter, it does not deliver more than a Data by Mordax.

In the end, I'm sure this module would come precision-calibrated as a prebuilt one. With a DIY-Kit, this will become much more important.

Anyone purchase anything from VOID modular this year?

I see shop closed for orders around time I placed an order..
- Bought MuteMix back in July
- initial delay in processing & owner apologized (personal reason--understandable)..
- Shipping notification raised (label created) Aug..

Nothing since... checked in early Sept & got a reply but radio silence & no responses since...

Your project is interesting. Some indications that may help you...

Among the modules to consider is the Phonogene.
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/make-noise-phonogene
It is a ‘historical’ module of Make Noise based on the invention of Pierre Schaeffer (creator of the concrète music). This module is discontinued, but you can easily find it on Reverb.

Today, there is the Make Noise Morphagene (partly based on Schaeffer’s Morphophone). Also excellent are the Instrūo arbhar and Lúbadh. Other manufacturers offer many models to transform, cut and play with the samples.

For my part, I often use the Qu-bit Nebulae V2. This track, in tribute to a piece by Schaeffer and Henry, was made with Nebulae:

The BeatStep Pro is great for sequencing, but you might also need less ‘linear’ and traditional tools. I use Marbles (fantastic), but also the Stochastic Inspiration Generator and more recently the Pamela’s PRO Workout (ideal for organizing gates).

Finally, do not forget a dedicated lfo (ex. Batumi, Ochd), and of course some utilities...

PS. Among the best contact microphones: https://jezrileyfrench.co.uk/contact-microphones.php

EDITED Nov 3rd 2023, 15:06

Received this morning.

For the description of the module and its installation, the User Manual:
https://www.instruomodular.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/ochd-expander-Manual-web.pdf

Also here, including installation details:

It would be great to be able to split the rack in sections (Mantis, Go, etc.) with separate current draw calculations.
At the moment I've got separate racks for each section, which is far from convenient for shuffling around modules. Is there an easier way to do that?

Also, key shortcuts for moving modules vertically would be nice too.

EDITED Nov 3rd 2023, 10:51

Got mine yesterday, and it rocks! I second that about telling us how the two expansion cables are run. I tried parallel with the sideways -12v on the mother Ochd pointing outward, and after a nervous try, it seems ok.

Having triggers running alongside the lfos is amazing!

please make your rack public and post the url... it's difficult to work out some of the mdules from a jpg... this really helps us help you!

Hi everyone,
I would like to have some opinions/suggestions/feedback on a modular setup i'm planning at the moment (at the moment I only have half of the modules presented on the photo).

So, my intention for this modular setup is to use it with big sound sculptures i'm building. I'm activating dc motors and solenoids to produce different sounds in the sculptures (hence the module on the top left - the gate inputs are taken from a Beatstep sequencer).
This also explains not having any oscillators in the system, i like to use only the electroacoustic sounds generated in the sculptures, which are picked up and driven into the modular with 4 contact microphones (plugged into the Tausend dB).

The suggestions and feedback I'm searching for is in regards to the modules I've chosen to create different modulations and audio signal processing.
Some sculptures are more rhythm-oriented and others are more tone/vibration/resonance focused, so the goal is to have a wide range of possibilities for different approaches.

Any other modules I should consider that are interesting for this approach?

Thank you for your time!!

EDITED Nov 3rd 2023, 00:20

Additionally, it would be beneficial to know what type of filters are being used in this system.

In the user guide, the band distribution is listed as 50 Hz, 110 Hz, 220 Hz, 500 Hz, 1.1 kHz, 2.2 kHz, 5.2 kHz, and 11 kHz. These seem to suggest center frequencies for each filter.

EDITED Nov 2nd 2023, 20:52

Hi Jim,
Thanks for your reply!

No Problem!

I will take a look into a matrix or another interesting mixer. And indeed add some more atten/offsets and VCAs.

Matrix mixers are partivcularly useful as they do many to many mixing - so you can, for example, take copies of 4 modulation sources (using mults or stackcables) and derive another 4 related, but more complex modulation signals out - they can also be used for setting up send/returns etc - really useful - I've got 2 and another one wouldn't hurt!

I've initially held back on FX in the rack as I didn't find them very interesting, but I will look into more interesting fx modules. Do you have recommendations on effect modules and interesting other modules to pair them with?

fx out of the rack are great too.. I have a decent pedal collection - and use them with my modular via pedal interface modules in most cases (some don't need them), but it's always useful to have a couple in the rack - so you can just patch them in - for example reverb before distortion - with the right module can give shoegazey vibes... I have both an fx aid pro and an xl... I'd recommend the pro as a first purchase out of the 2... it's much easier to tell which algo you are using & there are a few useful features - scope for instance - plus if you want a second effect unit - then you can get an xl or regular fx aid and set them up so that the pro works as a cheat sheet for the other(s) - load the same algos into the 1st32 slots

As for the filter, I can't deny that fany sounding cool stereo effect type filters like the Makenoise QPAS are on my whish list, but are also getting expensive fast. For one (or more) filters as well, any recommendations and which modules would you pair them with?
-- deurstopjoris

most of my filters are doepfer - I particularly like the SEM... they are in expensive and fine... I also only own 1 stereo filter (the q-bit prism) but I often send rings (or other stereo sources) through a couple of different mono filters...

Hi Jim,
Thanks for your reply! I will take a look into a matrix or another interesting mixer. And indeed add some more atten/offsets and VCAs.

I've initially held back on FX in the rack as I didn't find them very interesting, but I will look into more interesting fx modules. Do you have recommendations on effect modules and interesting other modules to pair them with?

As for the filter, I can't deny that fany sounding cool stereo effect type filters like the Makenoise QPAS are on my whish list, but are also getting expensive fast. For one (or more) filters as well, any recommendations and which modules would you pair them with?

A module based on the Yamaha FM voice chip YM2413 included in many game consoles. Modulated voices and a drum kit alternately.
Straightforward build, nothing too unusual.
Sounds OK. I don’t know how I’ll integrate it into the studio, but might be just your taste.

Build

to me there seems to be a lack of filters, effects and utilities...

I'd want at least a reverb, delay and a few more filters... and I can hear you saying "I do those out of the rack" but... applying delays and reverbs early in the chain can work very well...

as for utilities - a matrix mixer (the king of mixers imo) can make limited modulation go a lot further and in much more interesting ways... also some extra attenuverters/offsets would help...

as for layout - I like from top to bottom/left to right:

sound sources, modulation sources, sound modifiers, control - with utilities spread throughout

So other than a Transposer, I guess this will be really useful for calibrating VCOs.
So guessing I'd need a really accrurate Multimeter to calibrate / check this?

EDITED Nov 1st 2023, 16:14

Ugly.. but nice to fool around with
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/tesseract-modular-low-coast
-- T0MMI001

Yeah, very cheap too but it looks like an old car stereo unit with faceplate taken off. urghhh

-- EuroBadger

There are so many ‘old car stereo unit with faceplate taken off’ in the Eurorack world.
Therefore it’s good to reserve a small separate case and place vintage advertising stickers on it.
It’s fun and it puts things into perspective. We used to do that with our cheap guitar cases :)
Nostalgia...

Some notes to help you critisize the module flow choice more specific:
- My sequencer is the Arturia Keystep Pro, which has four tracks of CV/Gate/Velo, one of which can be a 8 part drum track as well. I'm leaning towards getting an Arturia Beatstep Pro as well, as I like the workflow and it is way cheaper than having a "basic" (linear 16 step type) drum sequencer in my rack.
- Outside the rack I have a Modal Argon8 Wavetable Synthesizer, Arturia Microfreak and Alesis NanoPiano as other sound sources. As my rack grows I'm considering selling at least one, I'm not sure which one yet.
- Mixer is a 1010Music Bluebox (non-eurorack version), so mixing is mainly done outside the rack. The mixers in my rack are used to create some sub-mixes for drums or bass sounds to have some free channels on the Bluebox for my other synths.
- The Addac 213's are meant to prevent very long cables running from one rack to the other.
- I make music in the styles of melodic to hard techno, house, deep house, breakbeat and sometimes drum 'n bass.

Hi all,
I've been into semi-modular synths since 2017 and went modular in 2020. The past few years I have started to grow my module collection and I've just finished my seconds 3D-printed rack. As the distance between the modules gets bigger and I've just got a fresh box of knurlies, I think this is the perfect time to rearrange my rack and have a big reflection on the choice of modules that I've collected!

This is how I have the modules in my rack currently. There's not really an order of thought process behind it, except the lower row of the smaller rack where I had the idea to create a paraphonic chord-ish stereo synths in one row. However this workflow is still not really working, as started using the Ensemble Oscillator for FM-bass sounds and patching the other modules to the other side of my other rack as well.

Please help me evaluate my module choice and placement!

Ugly.. but nice to fool around with
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/tesseract-modular-low-coast
-- T0MMI001

Yeah, very cheap too but it looks like an old car stereo unit with faceplate taken off. urghhh

Manufactured by Instruō, 4HP, 16 outs, 5mA, and expander of one of the most popular modules. There are worse pedigrees ;)
I’m waiting for mine this week.

Ugly.. but nice to fool around with
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/tesseract-modular-low-coast

Ordered during the announcement. I'd say this is a must have, and I keep a Happy Nerding MIA next to them to attenuate or offset. It's a powerhouse trio. They should tell you how to run the cables in the box though ;-) Whacky things happen if they are backwards. Although whacky can be good. Not dangerous according to Ben.

In your user settings there is a setting for Planner Menu Preferences.
You can uncheck the button options there and dependent on your problem that might help to drag the small modules easier aroound.

Thank you! to be honest, its mostly the pad sound that comes from Arbhar. Odessa plays the melody. i recorded piano notes into a tape dictaphon and then recorded that sound into Arbhar if i recall correctly. Original source, the new version 2.0 sounds a lot better i think. I even bought the USB expander for it now 

The new version of Arbhar used.
tape recorded piano source sound.
https://on.soundcloud.com/sMqBVMKCaZdMsbYe9
-- Wedoh

This is beautiful. Have been eyeing this module for a while now. Is it just the original source fed into Arbhar or other processing like EQ and Reverb as well?

I go from my ERM multiclock straight into PAMs - You can send an analog clock out fr0m output one of the ERM
-- greenfly

Wow, I did not know this. Amazing, thanks for the tip!

btw...
build a kit! https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/evaton-rf-nomad-kit/
-- wishbonebrewery

Woah - I don't have the skills to do that but yet another interesting part of modular. Maybe I will try and learn some basics one day.

EDITED Oct 30th 2023, 19:52

There are many modules that allow this work: choose the 'Sampling' function in the 'Modules' section (Module Finder) and you will have a long list of modules for this.
This way please :)

Then, you can still associate any other module that will fold the result, distort, create an envelope, place it in a space (with more or less reverb)... Any traditional complementary modular function.

In theory there are two sound synthesis techniques for dealing with acoustics; there is the traditionnal Sample-based synthesis and the Granular synthesis: both are well developed in the modular universe.

Everyone can work in their own way. Personally, and like many modularists, I have currently invested in granular synthesis (Qu-Bit Nebulae, Make Noise Morphagene, alongside Monsoon and Beads which are also effects, modules derived from Clouds). I completed with a more modest module (Tiptop Audio One) to include samples, considering that the computer is also a first way, upstream, powerful and fast to process any audio sources.
But again, to each his priorities, his preferences...

The looper function allows you to manipulate the audio. This function, which is the basis of the freeze function, is integrated into many modules. But many use an external looper: this is the case of the legendary Todd Barton...

-- Sweelinck

Thank you for spending the time to respond and advise, lots to unpick here - some of which I am doing such as the searches to try and pinpoint modules of interest.

The Tiptop One or any module holding a bank of samples would enable the sound to be returned to again rather than the actual radio such as the ST Modular https://www.modulargrid.net/e/st-modular-radio
This was the module that started me thinking thinking about searching for sound and exploring what I could do with it.

I am still looking forward to owning the Big T Music Monsoon (due to its size & that I own the Rangoon) at some point to work alongside a unit with samples / radio.

All responses have given me more to think about and new information which is a huge help and will aid me in making up my mind - hopefully sooner than later.

Many thanks

Amazing transaction with @Euxine for his Step 8. Came in perfect condition and super quick. Highly recommend!